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Location: With my son on the water | The discussion regarding the Beast has kind of gone away? However I see it comes in a left hand model which I am sure will interest a lot of people including me. My question is how does the Beast compare to the Tranx? As in easy to turn large baits but yet you still get a higher Inches Per Turn.
I know the Tranx PG is a 4.6 gear and gets 30 Inches per turn and I have used one extensively so I know what it can do.
The Beast is listed as 7.1 gear and gets 29 inches per turn.
My concern is will the Beast be able to pull large baits as easily as the Tranx given that it has a 7.1 gearing?
Does anyone have any experience they can share?
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Location: Ohio | I don't have any experience but I bet that the lower gear ratio on the Tranx would be less taxing on you when throwing large cranks or bucktails.
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Location: Latitude 41.3016 Longitude 88.6160 | btfish - 8/8/2015 3:50 AM
The discussion regarding the Beast has kind of gone away? However I see it comes in a left hand model which I am sure will interest a lot of people including me. My question is how does the Beast compare to the Tranx? As in easy to turn large baits but yet you still get a higher Inches Per Turn.
I know the Tranx PG is a 4.6 gear and gets 30 Inches per turn and I have used one extensively so I know what it can do.
The Beast is listed as 7.1 gear and gets 29 inches per turn.
My concern is will the Beast be able to pull large baits as easily as the Tranx given that it has a 7.1 gearing?
Does anyone have any experience they can share?
Thanks and have a good day. :)
NO WAY !!!!! the Beast will not pull in DCG as easy as a TRANX, but it will pickup slack line and is alot smaller reel. The TRANX is in a League by itself when it comes to power to pull DCG. |
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Location: With my son on the water | Thanks Richard
That is what I was thinking too but at one point I saw some posts that said the Beast was going to compete again the Tranx but then they kind of stopped. The main reason I am asking is I was looking for a left handed options for some of my buddies.
You are correct I have a Tranx, and NOTHING else (I have tried them) compares to what a Tranx can do.
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| I agree, the beast is not a big bait reel. It is a small bait reel at best.
The better question is the yet to come out Revo Toro Beast vs. The Tranx. The Toro beast as two models. The 60 has a 4.9:1 and 27in/cr. while the 60HS has 6.2:1 and 34in/cr. I think these have a potential to be near the tranx but probably still noticeably less powerful/fast. If it is close and comes in a smaller package then I am for it.
It looks like the new Toro S will come in between the Beast models at 5.3:1 and 29in/cr. A good option and $150 less. I assume it will have to same spool size. I wonder how the components of this differ from the Toro Beast to warrant the price difference. The main things I see are the bearings and drag type.
The one thing I want to know is which one will make the best Bucktail reel. What do you guys think? Do you think there will be a way to try all three out at the Chicago Musky show? I mean actually throw bucktails. |
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| I'm assuming Abu designed the TORO BEAST, as a state of the art reel, or a reel that can do everything well, not just competition to the Tranx. Because if I'm spending that kind of money, I want the reel to fish many kinds of baits, not just bucktails. I'm all in on the Toro Beast, just have to figure out which one to get first,low or high speed version. Kdawg |
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| The Diawa Lexa already fills that gap nicely, and at a nice price point with various ratios. |
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Location: Rhinelander, Wisconsin | I own (and have used very hard) two models of the Lexa reels and thought they're good reels for the money, but they didn't perform (overall performance, including feel, build, smooth performance, drag, casting, etc) as well as a Toro S for me. Good reel, for certain, but different from the Toro S. I can't speak to the stainless gears in the new Daiwa model, but will have one and will see, I am looking forward to trying that reel out.
The Toro S has one less bearing, doesn't have the infinite real time adjustable drag system the Toro Beast has, and is available in one gear ratio.
I don't want to and will not ever fish Muskies with a Tuna reel. Too big for my tastes, and the fatigue from using the reel makes the experience less pleasant than I would prefer.
I hope people stop confusing the Revo Beast bass reel with the Revo Toro Beast muskie reel soon. I see that's still an issue, comparing a bass reel to a Tuna reel is...well, it isn't.
We just spent a week throwing big #8 over #10 spinnerbaits, big Savage Gear rubber swimbaits, and other hard-to-keep-out-of-the-weeds lures over heavy cover on Wabigoon. I tried the Toro S on several rods, and settled on two combinations I am absolutely delighted with.
1) Toro S spooled with 65# superline matched with an ABU VRTCMU86 8' 6" Extra Heavy Veritas 2.0 rod. Well balanced, powerful outfit that allowed me to throw the big stuff and ride it up over heavy cover for several hours before I started to look for a Pike spinnerbait to ease the effort. The same rod with a 60 Toro NACL, same gear ratio, gave me a couple hours before wearing thin in the fatigue department.
2) Toro S spooled with 65# superline matched with a St. Croix LEM86HF 8'6" Heavy power Legend Elite. This stick is expensive, and that's a fact, but it's an absolute joy to use and is worth every penny to me. I went literally all day three days in a row alternating back and forth between the Veritas and the Legend Elite throwing two different Violent Strike 8/10 spinnerbaits, and am happy to own the outfits. Very happy. All day with last year's gear throwing that lure and screaming it enough to keep it in the top couple inches of the water column over heavy cabbage would have left me unable to fish heavy gear the next day. The Legend Elite makes the entire process feel different than any outfit I have ever used. Effortless? Of course not, but nice? Yes, very.
If I went to topwater, I threw a Weagle most of the time (because Keith was tossing a Nite Walker) and that's not an easy lure to make dance in the weed cover either; there's fatigue from all the rod motion and rapid cranking of the reel to make the lure work as I like it to.
I am willing to say the Toro S hit the bullseye in design and build as a Muskie reel, which is what it was designed to be. it's a step up from any reel in it's class I have used in feel and overall performance.
Keith used the Toro Beast HS. He matched it with two rods, the ABU Beast FNBC97-8 9'7" Fast Extra Heavy, and the St. Croix Legend Elite LEM76XHF 7'6" Extra heavy.
He threw big spinnerbaits with the St. Croix, and big rubber and other over sized baits with the Beast 9'7" rod. He was very pleased with both outfits. By the end of the week, I noticed just now looking at the outfits on the porch he had a NACL and a Violent strike #9/#10 bladed spinnerbait on the St Croix, and the Beast matched with the Beast rod for big rubber like the new Savage Gear trout swimbait (stunning action that lure has...). I haven't asked him how he liked the NACL on the St Croix, but he must like it, that's where he ended up.
The discussion on the new Abu reels didn't 'go away'. Until folks can go try a Toro S or Toro Beast matched with either the Veritas, Beast, TI's new rods, or perhaps St. Croix Legend Elite rods for themselves, there isn't much more to ponder. |
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| Steve, Thanks a lot for all your comments about these reels. It has been informative and gets me geared up to check out these reels soon. I appreciate you taking the time to write up all your experiences with these reels and rods. |
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Location: Mt. Zion, IL | Steve, what is the crank length on the toro beast reel? |
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| All the typical stats for the Toro Beast and the S are on the Abu Garcia website. But for the 60 size; The 60 has a 4.9:1 and 27in/cr. while the 60HS has 6.2:1 and 34in/cr. |
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| Good info Steve, I plan on going all in with a Toro beast and Toro S when available. |
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| I've noticed NACLs have come down in price in the past month. Is the NaCl being discontinued or will it still be manufactured going forward? Sorry if this has already been asked, haven't seen in it any posts or other briefings though. |
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| Im guessing they are being replaced by the S and Toro Beast. |
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| The NaCl will be replaced by the Toro Beast and the Toro S. It will not be continued.
What I dont understand is that the Toro Beast and the Toro S both have a disengaging levelwind. I know this is the trend at the moment (lexa, tranx, calcutta d), but I think for a big bait reel it is not the right way.
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| I don't believe that is right. I do believe it is a non-disengaging levelwind
It also looks like they have done something to address the spool release button issues. I am happy to see that. |
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| Well no one believed they would make it with a disengaging levelwind but it will have one, 100 % sure. Same arguments as with the calcutta d, with the narrower spool there is no need for a non-disengaging levelwind and the castability is better.
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Location: With my son on the water | I didn't realize Abu had several reels with the Beast in the name, everything I have read just refers to the Beast being the new Muskie reel so that's what I looked up but I guess I was wrong.
So it's the Toro Beast that we need to compare to the Tranx! Even though I guess this is a Tuna reel I am certain lots of guys will use it as guys are trying what ever they can to improve performance with double 10s. With that said it would be nice to hear how the TORO Beast (all the gear ratios) specifically handles double 10s, like CowGirls as this could open up a new reel market for many of the guys who crank with the left hand. I think that's what lots of guys are waiting for.
Have a good day.
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| I love my "Tuna" reels...lol |
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Location: Downers Grove, IL | I love my "tuna" reel as well. Just spent a week on Eagle using it virtually exclusively all week for 10's, 8's and cranks hitched on to a Slingblade. It not only performed flawlessly, but was the smoothest reel I've thrown. I was actually anticipating extra fatigue from its weight and size, but it was never an issue for me. Very pleased with my new Tranx PG purchase. |
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| I've never understood why anyone would use a Tranx for 8's, or any twitch baits. There are far smaller reels that weigh far less that can easily handle those tasks. |
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| There's no musky reel that can do what a Tranx HG can do. One person's opinion of "burning" blades is far different than someone else's. |
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Location: Yahara River Chain | There is no Tranx in left side crank. |
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Location: Minneapolis, MN | smada - 8/11/2015 12:54 PM
I've never understood why anyone would use a Tranx for 8's, or any twitch baits. There are far smaller reels that weigh far less that can easily handle those tasks.
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Location: Rhinelander, Wisconsin | MuskyNate27 - 8/11/2015 10:45 AM
I love my "Tuna" reels...lol
Great!
I didn't, and never said anyone else wouldn't. And the Tranx IS a ''tuna reel' folks are adapting to muskie fishing.
Shimano actually referred to that when the reel was introduced. Outstanding product, just too big for me.
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| In the summertime i use both my tranx HG, one a big bag rod, and the other on a medium size bait rod, and wouldn't change them for anything else. In the winter time i switch the one on the medium size bait rod, to a slower reel, (calcutta 401D) still ude the HG on the big bait roll to pick up slack line on rubber. the only thing i find hard with the HG, is to really slow roll stuff, if i want to do that i use a abu 7000I |
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Location: Ontario | muskie! nut - 8/11/2015 3:52 PM
There is no Tranx in left side crank.
Me and many others crying over that fact.
Why Shimano ?! Why........ |
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| lifeisfun - 8/12/2015 5:55 PM
muskie! nut - 8/11/2015 3:52 PM
There is no Tranx in left side crank.
Me and many others crying over that fact.
Why Shimano ?! Why........
Ever try to learn to reel right-handed? I did this season and it didn't take as long to get used to as I thought it would...buy a cheap RH reel, work on it and open up more reel options |
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Location: Ontario | Ronix - 8/12/2015 7:50 PM
lifeisfun - 8/12/2015 5:55 PM
muskie! nut - 8/11/2015 3:52 PM
There is no Tranx in left side crank.
Me and many others crying over that fact.
Why Shimano ?! Why........
Ever try to learn to reel right-handed? I did this season and it didn't take as long to get used to as I thought it would...buy a cheap RH reel, work on it and open up more reel options
Will not learn on purpose to do it the wrong way
Swapping hands while casting is not right,
..flame suit on boys.... 
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Location: North St. Paul, MN | I refuse to try any longer to put the paddle of the reel in my right hand, simply for the fact I think I lose something on the hookset. I've tried like crazy to learn to fish muskies and other species reeling right handed...it's not the reeling, it's the tapping, jerking, twitching, pulling, and MOST IMPORTANTLY the hooksetting that I can't do with the left hand/arm.
I'll never understand how guys can do it with their "off hand." I'm right handed, my right hand/arm does all the work when fishing....my left just turns the handle on the reel.
It's just nice to see some more options for "lefty" reelers coming into the market.
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