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| da bears - 2/1/2012 1:59 PM
what about an F250 6.2L gas pullin a ranger 620vs? enough power for this boat?
And a few others behind it... |
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Location: Northwest Wisconsin | I am pulling an Alumacraft tournament pro 175 tiller with a 75hp mercury. Thanks for all the responses, I appreciate all of them. |
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| Shep - 2/2/2012 2:32 PM
dtaijo174 - 2/1/2012 8:57 AM
I would only buy from a manufacturer who doesn’t get bailed out with tax payer money.
That would be Ford. They haven't been #1 in sales for 33 straight years for nothing. And it looks like that streak isn't about to end in the foreseeable future.
I'm on my 3rd F150 since 1982. Ove half a million miles between the first two. My 2010 Lariat is the best truck I've ever been in. By far!
I am sick of all this misinformation. Here are some facts for you guys that think Ford is so great.
Ford and Nissan still owe the federal government a combined 7 billion dollars from the same DOE fund that gave money to Solyndra.
Chrysler repaid all the loans provided with interest and currently owes $0.
GM was given interest free money and won't have to pay a dime in interest.
So who has the bad debt and who used the loans, turned the business around, and paid the government around 2 billion in interest on top of it?
Oh yeah and expanded the plant in Belvedere and is creating more jobs?
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| i have a Sequioa which is the SUV version of the tundra. I use it to pull all my toys included my pontoon and my ranger. I traded my F150 SCREW in for this SUV and it was one of the best decisions i ever made. The sequioa has more power, better ride (expected), better fuel economy and way better quality. I would say save a little more and get the tundra. you won't be disappointed. I had ford for years, and always had good luch until my 2007 F150 which was a POS to be honest. Now i have all foriegn cars and i don't visit the dealer anymore for things. i would never buy a chevy or dodge ever again either.
SM, where are you getting that ford owes money? i don't believe that to be true. It may be, but i looked for that proof and couldn't find it. GM and Chrysler had to take taxpayer $ to survive and is one of the biggest reasons i will NEVER buy anything from them. Its hard to believe what GM charges for their vehicles when every taxpayer already paid them almost $1000 just to keep them afloat. And the dealers act like GM is doing you the favor.
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| http://green.autoblog.com/2009/06/23/officially-official-ford-gets-...
There is a link to the Ford money taken from the DOE. |
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Location: Rhinelander, Wisconsin | http://green.autoblog.com/2009/06/23/officially-official-ford-gets-...
That's quite a bit different from the money applied to propping up bankrupt car companies. This is conditional loan money from the DOE and has to do with developing new 'greener' automotive technology. |
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| All I am saying is a everyone trumps up ford for not taking government money and they still did. Maybe it was a different fund but they still took money and owe it back. Chrysler has a zero balance and GM is in the hole pretty deep yet. If you decide to avoid a vehicle because they got a bailout that is your decision, but in my mind it is pretty weak reason to discount an entire automotive brand.
From a business standpoint one could argue that the government made a good decision (as rare as that is). They made 2 billion in interest and the loans were repaid. |
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Location: Rhinelander, Wisconsin | No, they didn't. They didn't take government BAIL OUT money, they took R&D money available to most of the car companies to develop new technologies.
A decision to buy from a proven fiscally responsible and financially strong company isn't 'weak' by any stretch. It is....what it is. |
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| I am just glad the majority of people in the area don't feel that way. Up 29% over last year, sold 100 more new cars than last year at the store I am at, and took in more chevy trucks last year than ever before, didn't have to lay anyone off, even added a few employees. Chrysler is viable again after the Daimler/Cerebus debacle and life is looking up. |
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| You won't beat a new F-150 with the EcoBoost engine for hauling just about anything. You can tow something like 9,500 pounds with it, and you still get 22 mpg highway (towing a 2,000# boat you'll get more like 16mpg). Smooth, quiet ride and ridiculous power. It's a sweet rig. |
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Location: Rhinelander, Wisconsin | smbrickner - 2/16/2012 8:57 AM
I am just glad the majority of people in the area don't feel that way. Up 29% over last year, sold 100 more new cars than last year at the store I am at, and took in more chevy trucks last year than ever before, didn't have to lay anyone off, even added a few employees. Chrysler is viable again after the Daimler/Cerebus debacle and life is looking up.
Yes, the economy has improved some. Hopefully, we'll get past the worst of it this year and early into next. |
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| smbrickner - 2/16/2012 8:57 AM
I am just glad the majority of people in the area don't feel that way. Up 29% over last year, sold 100 more new cars than last year at the store I am at, and took in more chevy trucks last year than ever before, didn't have to lay anyone off, even added a few employees. Chrysler is viable again after the Daimler/Cerebus debacle and life is looking up.
in the area? Sounds like Rockford?
I don't base purchasing a vehicle because they did or didn't take any bailout money. I buy Ford because they build the best trucks. For 35 years running. |
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| Nope Central Wisconsin. |
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| I guess it's noble to base your buying decisions on company politics and government bailouts, but if I were looking at trucks, I would want one that does the job well, without major components of the vehicle breaking/wearing out long before their time. To that end, I don't really care what name is on the grill. I want to be able to drive down the road after 7-8 years and still be able to tell people I love my truck. |
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| esoxaddict - 2/16/2012 11:40 AM
I guess it's noble to base your buying decisions on company politics and government bailouts, but if I were looking at trucks, I would want one that does the job well, without major components of the vehicle breaking/wearing out long before their time. To that end, I don't really care what name is on the grill. I want to be able to drive down the road after 7-8 years and still be able to tell people I love my truck.
Exactly! Even when my '82 was 14 years old, and had 260K on it, I still felt a little sad when the new owner drove off in it. Same with my 97 which had 245K on it in 2010, when I got my new F150. Over 500K miles on 2 trucks over 29 years.
I expect to keep this one another 10 years when I retire, and then buy another new one. |
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Location: Rhinelander | My two GM trucks, with both having the 5.3 have a combined total of 378,000 miles in 9.5 years of use. Purchased both brand new and they just keep on ticking.
Shooting for 300,000 on the 2002. This will be my first 300,000 vehicle as I usually don't keep them this long.
The 02 is a tahoe and the 08 is a 4 door pick-up. When the wifes Jeep Liberty has a few more miles (just checked hers, 137,000) we will get her another Tahoe. |
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Location: Racine, Wi | I have to stick with Ford as well. I think I'm around 120k on my 04 Expedition, with close to 60% of that spent towing a boat either locally or up nort and back. Knock on wood, the only issue I've had so far was new spark plugs last year. Other then that, the truck gets me to and from where I'm going. That's what I want it to do. Next truck will either be another Expedition, or an F150 when we're ready. |
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Location: minocqua, wi. | esoxaddict - 2/16/2012 11:40 AM
I guess it's noble to base your buying decisions on company politics and government bailouts, but if I were looking at trucks, I would want one that does the job well, without major components of the vehicle breaking/wearing out long before their time. To that end, I don't really care what name is on the grill. I want to be able to drive down the road after 7-8 years and still be able to tell people I love my truck.
last year i considered getting a new truck for obvious reasons, i was an easy target for the sales guys on lots driving in with a Ford F250 with 210,000 miles. each time they thought they had an easy sale, i would step up into my truck after test-driving a new one and say "i like mine better". so, it now has new Michellin's, 235,000 miles and i'm not even thinking about a new one. it looks as good and runs better than it did when it was new. granted, i had "the 6.0 litre problem", but once truly fixed ... this thing will last me a long, long time. it's still fun to drive and is a better choice than a new one.
i've never owned a chevy, my last 2 prior to this one were dodges ... not even close. a Ford F-250 Superduty is a truck you can truly own for a lifetime if you want to. |
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| Let's not buy from companies that took bailout money? Yeah that makes sense. Especially since it wasn't all of the people actually putting the vehicles together that messed the company up. Just like most other companies that screw it, its a couple guys in 10,000$ suits that do the damage. |
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Location: Racine, Wi | Guest - 2/19/2012 1:51 PM
Let's not buy from companies that took bailout money? Yeah that makes sense. Especially since it wasn't all of the people actually putting the vehicles together that messed the company up. Just like most other companies that screw it, its a couple guys in 10,000$ suits that do the damage.
If only it were that easy.... |
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Location: Rhinelander, Wisconsin | What twisted misinformation tells folks to put the dollar sign AFTER the price? Drives me nuts. It's $10,000.00, not 10,000$.
Gah. |
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| Guest - 2/19/2012 1:51 PM
Let's not buy from companies that took bailout money? Yeah that makes sense. Especially since it wasn't all of the people actually putting the vehicles together that messed the company up. Just like most other companies that screw it, its a couple guys in 10,000$ suits that do the damage.
What? so you think the unions didn't have anything to do with bancrupkting GM? Do you realize that something like $2500 of each new GM goes to retired workers who don't even put cars together anymore? Sure, mgmt gave them this and its their fault too. |
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| I would buy a black chevrolet 1/2 ton with gagster wheels (2009) |
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Location: Davenport, IA | Rob - 2/22/2012 2:35 PM
I would buy a black chevrolet 1/2 ton with gagster wheels (2009)
Saw an excursion at the Chicago Auto Show with a large enclosure in back featuring 4 subwoofers. In the enclosure were live goldfish. Would this be a legal way to transport suckers? Would PETA be upset with the hearing loss the fish may suffer? |
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Location: Dane Country | I have a 1997 FORD F250 HD. Still love my truck. American made. That's just me. Gm and Dodge should not have gotten bail out money. The D.O.E. gives money to every company to do R&D. So not only did they get bailed out they also got money from the D.O.E. I am a small business owner. Remember all the small business that went under since Gm and Dodge didn't have to pay.There is always more to the story. |
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Location: East Central WI | Have driven them all and owed 3 GMC's since 1988. The 1995 GMC Sierra with the 5.7 was the best. Good mileage, very realiable, plenty of power & my first "new" truck. ran it for 200,000+ miles with no real problems. I now have a 2003 GMC 1500HD with the 6.0L gas engine. It likes gas, I get about 11-13MPG's pulling a 20' Crestliner 202 and 13-15 MPG's empty. It has 80,000 miles on it and has no significant repairs whatsoever & runs like a top & has a VERY nice ride. Awesome in the snow. I've maintained it well. It pulls the boat great and has plenty of giddyup and stops when it needs to. Having said that, I am looking at Fords & GMC's because I have always wanted one (a Ford) and they do make a great truck, especially lately. Might have to give the edge to Fords since they did not take the govt. money and toughed it out. The Ford sales guys tell me that the 3.7 Ecoboost and the 5.0 liter are almost identical. I just can't do a Dodge, too many problems. Honestly they are all good. Towing, mileage, etc. it really is almost a "horse a piece" these days. If you know of anyone looking to buy a 2003 GMC Sierra 1500HD with low miles.... I know a guy.... |
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| '03 jeep grand cherokee w/ the 4.0 & 215,000+. Pulls either of my boats well (Navigator & row-troller) and runs great, I expect to get to 300,000 with it.
I'm in the air over my next vehicle between a truck or another Cherokee. Trucks are nice, but it's also extremely handy to be able to put my rods right in the jeep (9'3" fits fine). Then again, I wish Jeep would make a more sportsman friendly Cherokee, don't need the leather & super fancy items, make it to get dirty - the Wranglers simply don't have the towing capacity.
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Location: Northwest Wisconsin | Thanks again for all the information. We made a deal on a GMC Sierra yesterday. Hopefully it will be a good truck. We pick it up on Tuesday. |
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