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RonP
Posted 4/22/2007 7:19 AM (#252061)
Subject: Pat.Pend.


Has anybody done any research on what would and could be patent.
I ask because there is some bait that have "pat. pend" on them and most others don't. Could it just be all B.S. to avoid a direct copycat bait, not style of same ie. walk the dog, drop belly, glider, bucktail list could go on and on........................
This is being posted because I would really like to know if any bait could really be Patent.

Thanks all
RonP
Grunt Lures
Posted 4/22/2007 7:39 AM (#252062 - in reply to #252061)
Subject: Re: Pat.Pend.





Posts: 786


Location: Minnesota
Patents in the lure world would be VERY hard to hold on to. Reason is, you can change a bait slightly and it is now unique from the claims of the original IP. Also, most stuff has been done in the past and it would be very hard to determine if your IP was unique due to the lack of public/searchable information on your bait/innovation. I am watching the CHATTER bait right now. They are getting ripped to pieces IMO in the patent world. They state they have an original lure but everyone is copying them now. I for one have seen this bait in much older form. Not sure what they thought was original and patented here. If I wanted to come out with a CHATTER bait all I have to do is look at or copy the old ones I have seen and I am free and clear as I am practicing prior art. Also, if this old art is out there and similar, the CHATTER bait has nothing. This one will be interesting to watch. With the CHATTER bait as an example, here is your main problem. They will spend and easy $100-$200k defending that patent from the other big boys who are copying. The small guys get a letter and basically just stop because who has $20k to retain an attorney to fight it for you... The big boys have plenty of money to invalidate or fight this patent. At the end of the day you need something VERY unique that you have the $$$ to defend yourself OR something you can sell to the big boys.
JMO,
James

PS-I don't know a lot about patents but I have 6 and have self defended one of my small companies (not a lure company) against two infringement accusations on products I sell and won. So, I know enough to be dangerous to myself and my businesses
mm12463
Posted 4/22/2007 7:22 PM (#252140 - in reply to #252061)
Subject: RE: Pat.Pend.





Posts: 207


Location: Mpls, MN
Wolftrap Tackle Company has a patten on his bucktail. US Des. Pat # 425.167 on the weighting system. Cool stuff. I know he said it was expensiv when he did it a long time ago. Not sure on too much but talked to him briefly about it. Love his bucktails.
Grunt Lures
Posted 4/22/2007 8:33 PM (#252146 - in reply to #252061)
Subject: Re: Pat.Pend.





Posts: 786


Location: Minnesota
That is not a patent number so I could not find it to read the claims (patent 425,167 was issued on April 8, 1890 ).... So anyway, good example of a patent that cost a lot of money and means nothing. Not being an ass but, it would not be rocket science to get around a way to weight a bukctil and make a good product that works and thus that company protected nothing of value. IMO most patents are a waste of money unless they are the bottle neck patents or core technology IP. Some others out there are good but I would say 95% of patents are a waste of money. Most of the time they look good on a resume and that is about it.

Please post that right IP #. I think it woudl be interesting to read that one.
James
mm12463
Posted 4/22/2007 9:53 PM (#252162 - in reply to #252146)
Subject: Re: Pat.Pend.





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Location: Mpls, MN
LOL Matt's not that old! 1890 - holy crap. Is that sliced bread?!?

Here you go.

http://patft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect1=PTO2&Sect2=HITOFF&u...

I just copied what is on the sticker of the bucktail so I guess that is a comma and not a period.

D425167
May 16, 2000
Filed:August 12, 1999

What sucks is the patten drawings don't load on my computer. Not sure if its my computer of some crappy as government website. LOL.

Kind of fun do a search on fishing patents. Saw one from Shimano dated 2006. Not really sure what it meant because its all gobbly-gook technical stuff!



Edited by mm12463 4/22/2007 10:00 PM
Grunt Lures
Posted 4/22/2007 10:04 PM (#252163 - in reply to #252162)
Subject: Re: Pat.Pend.





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Location: Minnesota
The USPTO site requires a special download to view the images. Not sure why they did this but, that IS the way the patent office is ran! LOL

Here is the main image. The others are about the same.


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RonP
Posted 4/23/2007 1:56 PM (#252268 - in reply to #252061)
Subject: RE: Pat.Pend.


Thanks for all the input , I too think the cost out weights the results.
Just my too cents
I think It's all been done before with some new spins on most of out baits

Again Thanks all
RonP
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Posted 4/23/2007 2:29 PM (#252272 - in reply to #252061)
Subject: RE: Pat.Pend.


I'm in the process of completing my full patent registration package. Like James said, it's so easy to work around a patent when all you have to do is alter the design by 10% and your free. My patent describes uses of a concept and it's application.

Basically, the Chatterbait made a flawed application by limiting the way in which you attach the blade to the jig eye and being way too specific. Some modified it slightly, others just copied it and another company filed for a patent on the same lure.
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