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Posts: 143 Location: La Crosse, WI | 40 years ago almost every legal musky that was caught was kept, it just was the tradition at the time. In the 80's and 90's, catch and release began to catch hold and from the research I've done it started mainly from musky fisherman. Now the sport has exploded with the advanced of equipment, knowledge, and stocking which in my opinion is a good thing. I started muskie fishing about 7 years ago when I decided that I wanted to catch the biggest, meanest, and hardest fish to catch in the lake. I had very little knowledge about muskie fishing. I started with a 7ft medium heavy rod and a 6500 Abu and basically just casted small bucktails and topwaters. After I had a little bit of experience under my belt, I started to research muskie fishing more and more. I've read Muskie's on the Shield, the new book by Tom Gelb, and also Jim Saric's book. I look back on the tools I had, the equipment I used, and the way I handled fish and cringe a little bit. I don't know whether a fish in my boat has died yet, none of them floated, but in the early years they definitely weren't handled properly. Now I have all the tools, educate the people who fish with me about properly handling fish, and get fish back into the water as fast as I can. This website is without a doubt the best source of information about muskie fishing that I have found. Yet, you see posts here about people complaining about "their spots" being taken, too many people getting into the sport, and inexperienced people not knowing what they are doing. To me it just sounds like people being selfish about "their" fish, resources, and spots being used instead of attempting to educate people about the things they are doing wrong. Now if someone doesn't want to take the advice you are trying to share with them, that is their problem. Bass, walleye, panfish, and your weekend warriors are going to kill muskies by accident or on purpose if they catch one. That will probably never change. The people reading this website, muskyhunter, and the other books aren't the ones we have to be concerned about. It has to start with the experienced musky fisherman to inform people about the proper way to go about fishing muskies. This whole entitled attitude about beginners not knowing the proper way to fish/handle muskies isn't going to help, and will probably hinder, the future of this sport. Its about education Edited by Chuckin Baits 6/19/2014 10:26 PM | ||
| FishFinder87 |
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Chuckin Baits - 6/19/2014 10:23 PM 40 years ago almost every legal musky that was caught was kept, it just was the tradition at the time. In the 80's and 90's, catch and release began to catch hold and from the research I've done it started mainly from musky fisherman. Now the sport has exploded with the advanced of equipment, knowledge, and stocking which in my opinion is a good thing. I started muskie fishing about 7 years ago when I decided that I wanted to catch the biggest, meanest, and hardest fish to catch in the lake. I had very little knowledge about muskie fishing. I started with a 7ft medium heavy rod and a 6500 Abu and basically just casted small bucktails and topwaters. After I had a little bit of experience under my belt, I started to research muskie fishing more and more. I've read Muskie's on the Shield, the new book by Tom Gelb, and also Jim Saric's book. I look back on the tools I had, the equipment I used, and the way I handled fish and cringe a little bit. I don't know whether a fish in my boat has died yet, none of them floated, but in the early years they definitely weren't handled properly. Now I have all the tools, educate the people who fish with me about properly handling fish, and get fish back into the water as fast as I can. This website is without a doubt the best source of information about muskie fishing that I have found. Yet, you see posts here about people complaining about "their spots" being taken, too many people getting into the sport, and inexperienced people not knowing what they are doing. To me it just sounds like people being selfish about "their" fish, resources, and spots being used instead of attempting to educate people about the things they are doing wrong. Now if someone doesn't want to take the advice you are trying to share with them, that is their problem. Bass, walleye, panfish, and your weekend warriors are going to kill muskies by accident or on purpose if they catch one. That will probably never change. The people reading this website, muskyhunter, and the other books aren't the ones we have to be concerned about. It has to start with the experienced musky fisherman to inform people about the proper way to go about fishing muskies. This whole entitled attitude about beginners not knowing the proper way to fish/handle muskies isn't going to help, and will probably hinder, the future of this sport. Its about education I agree on all points. Edited by FishFinder87 6/19/2014 10:53 PM | |||
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Posts: 410 Location: one foot over the line | FishFinder87 - 6/19/2014 10:51 PM Chuckin Baits - 6/19/2014 10:23 PM 40 years ago almost every legal musky that was caught was kept, it just was the tradition at the time. In the 80's and 90's, catch and release began to catch hold and from the research I've done it started mainly from musky fisherman. Now the sport has exploded with the advanced of equipment, knowledge, and stocking which in my opinion is a good thing. I started muskie fishing about 7 years ago when I decided that I wanted to catch the biggest, meanest, and hardest fish to catch in the lake. I had very little knowledge about muskie fishing. I started with a 7ft medium heavy rod and a 6500 Abu and basically just casted small bucktails and topwaters. After I had a little bit of experience under my belt, I started to research muskie fishing more and more. I've read Muskie's on the Shield, the new book by Tom Gelb, and also Jim Saric's book. I look back on the tools I had, the equipment I used, and the way I handled fish and cringe a little bit. I don't know whether a fish in my boat has died yet, none of them floated, but in the early years they definitely weren't handled properly. Now I have all the tools, educate the people who fish with me about properly handling fish, and get fish back into the water as fast as I can. This website is without a doubt the best source of information about muskie fishing that I have found. Yet, you see posts here about people complaining about "their spots" being taken, too many people getting into the sport, and inexperienced people not knowing what they are doing. To me it just sounds like people being selfish about "their" fish, resources, and spots being used instead of attempting to educate people about the things they are doing wrong. Now if someone doesn't want to take the advice you are trying to share with them, that is their problem. Bass, walleye, panfish, and your weekend warriors are going to kill muskies by accident or on purpose if they catch one. That will probably never change. The people reading this website, muskyhunter, and the other books aren't the ones we have to be concerned about. It has to start with the experienced musky fisherman to inform people about the proper way to go about fishing muskies. This whole entitled attitude about beginners not knowing the proper way to fish/handle muskies isn't going to help, and will probably hinder, the future of this sport. Its about education I agree on all points. It's not that i necessarily disagree with you guys, and it is a good possibility that i am getting more cynical in my older age, HOWEVER, there was a dude who posted on this site not too long ago about missin some muskies because he didn't have a net. Not that he forgot his at home, simply didn't have one. Now, i'm not the sharpest tool in the shed, but i would think that having a net (or something similar) would be a little bit of a no-brainer. I'm all up for trying to educate the newcomers, but i need a little something to work with. | ||
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beerforthemuskygods - 6/20/2014 12:51 AM FishFinder87 - 6/19/2014 10:51 PM Chuckin Baits - 6/19/2014 10:23 PM 40 years ago almost every legal musky that was caught was kept, it just was the tradition at the time. In the 80's and 90's, catch and release began to catch hold and from the research I've done it started mainly from musky fisherman. Now the sport has exploded with the advanced of equipment, knowledge, and stocking which in my opinion is a good thing. I started muskie fishing about 7 years ago when I decided that I wanted to catch the biggest, meanest, and hardest fish to catch in the lake. I had very little knowledge about muskie fishing. I started with a 7ft medium heavy rod and a 6500 Abu and basically just casted small bucktails and topwaters. After I had a little bit of experience under my belt, I started to research muskie fishing more and more. I've read Muskie's on the Shield, the new book by Tom Gelb, and also Jim Saric's book. I look back on the tools I had, the equipment I used, and the way I handled fish and cringe a little bit. I don't know whether a fish in my boat has died yet, none of them floated, but in the early years they definitely weren't handled properly. Now I have all the tools, educate the people who fish with me about properly handling fish, and get fish back into the water as fast as I can. This website is without a doubt the best source of information about muskie fishing that I have found. Yet, you see posts here about people complaining about "their spots" being taken, too many people getting into the sport, and inexperienced people not knowing what they are doing. To me it just sounds like people being selfish about "their" fish, resources, and spots being used instead of attempting to educate people about the things they are doing wrong. Now if someone doesn't want to take the advice you are trying to share with them, that is their problem. Bass, walleye, panfish, and your weekend warriors are going to kill muskies by accident or on purpose if they catch one. That will probably never change. The people reading this website, muskyhunter, and the other books aren't the ones we have to be concerned about. It has to start with the experienced musky fisherman to inform people about the proper way to go about fishing muskies. This whole entitled attitude about beginners not knowing the proper way to fish/handle muskies isn't going to help, and will probably hinder, the future of this sport. Its about education I agree on all points. It's not that i necessarily disagree with you guys, and it is a good possibility that i am getting more cynical in my older age, HOWEVER, there was a dude who posted on this site not too long ago about missin some muskies because he didn't have a net. Not that he forgot his at home, simply didn't have one. Now, i'm not the sharpest tool in the shed, but i would think that having a net (or something similar) would be a little bit of a no-brainer. I'm all up for trying to educate the newcomers, but i need a little something to work with. Point taken, and I cannot deny that some people do not have a lot of common sense. Without knowing the rest of that story, I really can't comment more on it- though do we know for sure he was targeting muskies to begin with? I know a lot of people catch them on walleye and bass lures even and I would not expect them all to have a properly sized net. If he indeed was targeting muskies..some people just don't know any better. Rather then get mad at them and wish for them to give up the sport, talk to them and educate them as to why they should consider getting a bigger net. Hell, he came to this forum, so clearly he is looking for some guidance. What else can you ask? On the flip side, I've met a fair share of old timers that still keep any musky they catch. Should I get mad at them and wish they all give up fishing altogether? No. I should politely explain the efforts that are going into the fisheries, tell him why I practice C&R myself, invite him to a muskies inc meeting, and encourage him to consider C&R. Between the two scenarios, I bet those rookies would be far more likely to listen to you then an old timer would be to listen to some young guy. Edited by FishFinder87 6/20/2014 1:10 AM | |||
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Posts: 34 | Pointerpride102 - 6/18/2014 3:24 PM I wonder when musky fisherman will quit fishing for them in order to better the sport. It wouldn't shock me. I'm already on that. Because I know if I go out I'm going to strike out...or I'm going to go nuts and spend way too much money. In the end it's a win for the fish. God bless the internet. | ||
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Posts: 122 | beerforthemuskygods - 6/19/2014 6:56 PM I can see it now... airing on A&E tonight: "The Muskie Dynasty" or "The Muskie Commander"... Hey now don't be stealing my idea... my husband has made some awesome plastic handmade jerk baits, hard body lures, etc.... hoping to strike millions and start a TV show..... course... ya know that could be good because they would sure enough make it "reality" by having one idiot make every muskie mistake possible then have the teacher correct... I can see the show content now! Lol Serious now: Come on peeps it is the natural progression and called learning. We started fishing around seven years ago and sold! Will do ten thousand casts not a problem... just like toying with these wonderful hard to catch beauties. I am a researcher and still learning. Started with ugly sticks, cheap abu Garcia reels, decent net....... tried to following what we read. Main parts we missed and learned.... jaw openers rarely had to use but ready to go and lean way close to water with head pointed at water (dropped one fish... she was fine but I had a heart attack.... I THOUGHT I was close enough to water..... nope. IT IS called learning and everyone should be able to try it. We have some MaMa she bears out here who Muskie fish and protect them like crazy. Yikes! Muskie fishing is for everyone, enjoy it, share it, take the time to teach people the right techniques. | ||
| Ranger |
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Posts: 3869 | Hard to feel bad for you as you are newer than me and so yer taking up my space. Kidding. Sorta. The best stick usually gets the fish no matter what. | ||
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Posts: 32892 Location: Rhinelander, Wisconsin | Muskie angling has been at or near the top for well over a decade in growth in the freshwater fishing category. Any muskie angler new or experienced who decides education is someone else's responsibility or predetermines who is qualified for help has no place complaining about the influx of new Muskie anglers. Remember, you were a newbie once too. Like Ranger said... Be part of the solution or you are part of the 'problem'. And consider this: The more anglers fishing for muskies, the more attention those waters and populations will receive from fisheries and politicians. | ||
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| You can be an advocate and concerned without being a moron, but that that skill or tact is as elusive as the 60 incher.... | |||
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