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Again, nobody was asking anyone to support MI or even like MI.
This is about supporting the fishery, plain and simple.
Not supporting something that is good because you don't like who thought of it is childish, I'll stand by that statement till the cows come home.
Slamr what do your comments about MI have to do with growing the muskie fishery in MN? This isn't an MI issue, you don't have to be a membe or like MI to support the fishery.
If you have issues with MI than as a member why don't you bring those out into the open within MI, and try to get what you feel is damaging changed? What is the point in coming out here and bringing up vague accusations how MI attitudes are damaging anyting?
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Location: APPLETON, WI | Baby Mallard - 4/14/2010 10:51 AM Why don't we get more signatures from this site? Mail a letter in with a signature to support MN muskies. I would definitely help in anyway that I could. I actually moved to Wisconsin from Minnesota. And I try and get back to MN waters a couple of times each summer... so I still fish the lakes within the Twin Cities each year. As I stated, I'd happily sign. |
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Location: Rhinelander, Wisconsin | MI was the organization working the petition I spoke to at the show. I saw the petition and signed in an MI booth, and a chapter 54 member made the rounds as well, by my memory, so I could see how some folks might think this is a MI petition.
I signed. I guess a couple didn't. I support their decision to not sign as much as I support the decision of those who signed, it's their signature, not mine or yours.
Happy H,
I think you folks did a great job. You won't get everyone, but if you educate those you approach for a signature and let them know why you need the signature, you won't lose many. |
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Location: New Hope MN | Put the dang petition up and I'll sign it. I didn't see it anywhere at the show. |
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| The only real surprise is that Hooker posted his question on here and didn't expect this to turn into a bashing MN thread.
Skaries comments are 100% correct when it comes to childish attitudes and reasons not to support this initiative. Can't we start a different thread to complain about MI, Minnesota Musky elitists, and how MN fishermen should blame ourselves first?
Again, M1st falls way short when it counts.
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Location: Pittsburgh | BNelson - 4/14/2010 7:44 AM
Ok so I'm curious what reasons a musky fisherman would have not to sign a piece of paper for more musky waters...what are they? I'm being serious..I can't think of any...so enlighten me
Mr nelson you asked so I will answer honestly.If I attended that show I would not visit the booth to sign the petition.here a FEW bad apples through such bad behavior,make me just stay away.  |
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Location: Rhinelander, Wisconsin | Really..this is a MN bashing thread? Where, exactly?
If a person doesn't want to sign a petition for ANY reason, it's their personal choice, not MuskieFIRST's or JS's or yours. It's your job and JS's and the rest of the folks presenting the petition to convince those on the fence to sign. I signed the petition, and I'm glad I did.
Please define MuskieFIRST (in the context of MuskieFIRST 'falling short') for me, I'm curious what your perception might be.
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| john skarie - 4/14/2010 9:48 AM
My point is directed towards those that come up with the "I don't like MI or the muskie elitists" responses.
I don't care who you like or don't like or why. This is about the fisheries that as fishermen I would assume we all like.
This isn't about being offended because you can't get along with MI members or think people shouldn't talk about fish handling topics that you don't agree with.
Not supporting something that you take full advantage of because you don't like somebody or a group of somebodies that do support it is simply childish.
JS
That about sums up MY opinion on the subject. I would think anyone who likes fishing would sign a petition to help ANY fishing ANYWHERE no matter what they think of this or that organization or group of people.
And for those of you who "just like to go out and fish"... Do you like that there are fish to catch in the places you enjoy? How do you think they got there? |
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Location: MPLS, MN | I signed but some people don't want anyone to have their info I'd guess, just goofy like that. Guy I know said no but the reason was he already signed at the sports show but he didn't explain that to you guys. |
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Location: Rhinelander, Wisconsin | addict,
What if the petition was at a sports show passed around by folks opposed to stocking muskies because they feel the population of other gamefish is more important and needs attention; demanding that money be added to the stocking for those lakes for walleyes? Should I sign that as an uninformed show attendee? That's any fishing, anywhere, right?
Some ideas for the next time:
Post the Petition in LARGE print for folks to read at several locations in the show, basically a poster and/or hand out informational cards telling folks what the goal is. VERY important on that card or poster; explain why a petition is necessary. If the DNR supports this effort, logic would lead one to believe they are not the target of the petition and there's some other battle which could lead some to decline signing until they understand it better...so what group IS the target of the petition? Why? Write a press release and send it to any media asking them to publish. Same information as above. In ALL media, stay to the high ground and stay positive. Admit there are other interests out there, and that your petition is designed to educate first as to the benefits of your goals, and the long term positive effects. Answer any objections out there, even those of your opposition, carefully and politely.
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| steve, why don't you just call and have them cross you signature off. do you ever get tired of straddling the fence? i can't even believe what i'm reading here, but it's all the same BS we've read here many times before.
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Location: Northwest Chicago Burbs | Guest - 4/14/2010 12:08 PM
steve, why don't you just call and have them cross you signature off. do you ever get tired of straddling the fence? i can't even believe what i'm reading here, but it's all the same BS we've read here many times before.
it's a black and white issue
and for a moment there I felt bad about what I said about MI members (and then deleted my comments).
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Location: Rhinelander, Wisconsin | 'steve, why don't you just call and have them cross you signature off. do you ever get tired of straddling the fence? i can't even believe what i'm reading here, but it's all the same BS we've read here many times before. it's a black and white issue'
I stated my opinion. I signed the petition and was happy to do so. It's not my position editorially to tell everyone here they HAVE to think like I do. First, that never works well. Second, there's far more effective methods of winning over folks to a particular line of thought, and your technique definitely ain't one of 'em.
I do my best to inform and offer information/data to support my position. I'm not on the fence, I voted. I support the expansion of Muskie waters in MN. If everyone visiting this website had as strong feelings on the issue as I, there would be 200,000 signatures on that petition.
Another point you seem to have missed, the question was: Why did some folks not sign the petition?
Not: Why should the petition be signed?
Big difference, and one a couple others seem to have missed as well. |
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Location: Hudson, WI | I signed at Cochran's booth even though I fish Minnesota waters about 3 times a year (other than the Croix). The only reason I signed was because, honestly, how much time does it take to sign a piece of paper? I'll never fish any of them. But hell, if a guy's putting in his time and is willing to work to get new musky water in their state, great. |
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| sworrall - 4/14/2010 12:02 PM
addict,
What if the petition was at a sports show passed around by folks opposed to stocking muskies because they feel the population of other gamefish is more important and needs attention; demanding that money be added to the stocking for those lakes for walleyes? Should I sign that as an uninformed show attendee? That's any fishing, anywhere, right?
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Well, I like to eat walleyes, so I might not be right the person to answer that question.  I trust the DNR biologists to know how to maintain quality fishing for ALL species, so as long as the science behind the proposal is sound I'd support NOT stocking muskies too. But like I said -- I might be the wrong person to ask that question, because while I love muskie fishing, I also like catching Pike, Bass, Walleyes, etc. |
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| Some of our best walleye/panfish fisheries in MN also have muskies. |
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Well, I like to eat walleyes, so I might not be right the person to answer that question. I trust the DNR biologists to know how to maintain quality fishing for ALL species, so as long as the science behind the proposal is sound I'd support NOT stocking muskies too. But like I said -- I might be the wrong person to ask that question, because while I love muskie fishing, I also like catching Pike, Bass, Walleyes, etc.
So...in other words...you support what Steve says about exercising one's right to not sign a petition... 
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| Muskies don't necessarily damage other fisheries by their presence alone. They don't eat a lot of walleyes, or "ruin" the fishing for other species. But they do cost a lot of money, and if stocking dollars are diverted from other species to the muskie effort, that WILL affect the other species of fish. Personally I think MN needs a few more muskie lakes. If the guys who fish there regularly aren't just making up stories about the amount of pressure, I think it's a good idea. My point is that as an angler, I'd support better angling opportunities across the board, because good fishing is good fishing no matter where you are or what you are fishing for. |
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| Guest - 4/14/2010 11:26 AM
The only real surprise is that Hooker posted his question on here and didn't expect this to turn into a bashing MN thread.
Guest,,,,I'd be glad to give you an answer but can you expand on that?,,, because NO I dont see the relationship
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| VMS - 4/14/2010 1:48 PM
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So...in other words...you support what Steve says about exercising one's right to not sign a petition...
Of course I do. I just don't understand why any well informed muskie angler would NOT want to support more muskie lakes in MN. And from what I'm hearing here, the reasons are that people don't want to be bothered, or they don't like muskies inc, or they don't like being told how to release their fish... I support anyone's right to stand wherever they want on an issue, but when their reasons for their stance aren't based on logic and facts I question their motivation.
"I hate muskies inc." is not a legitimate reason not to support stocking additional lakes.
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| I signed but hesitated once I seen they asked for a phone #. |
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| Actually the thought of having a 'stand alone' petition booth at the expo crossed my mind before the expo in a post I put on the fishingminnesota.com muskie section,,,however it just didnt make sense ,,The promotor would have had to make another free space,,,you would have had to find people to staff it everyday,,having the petitions spaced out between MI booths meant you wouldnt have to line up at one booth for the limited table space and staff,,and it isnt an MI issue anyway-its the 5 new lakes proposal by the dnr
PERM had a booth but this isnt really their thing
I wasnt aware of any other volunteer muskie support groups at the show that could have hosted the petition???? |
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Location: Grand Forks ND | I was at the show Friday night and Saturday for a seminar and don't remember hearing anything on the loud speaker. I think I walked by a couple MI booths and was never asked by anyone to sign anything.
That being said, if somebody doesn't want to sign a piece of paper I don't think they need to justify the "why" to anyone but themselves. |
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Location: Maple Grove, MN | It took me less than fifteen seconds to sign. I'm not going to get any more emails or phone calls than before. It didn't cost me a thing and the petitiion is definitely in my best interests. A no-brainer to say the least.
As to why some people refused to sign, I think some people just like to be contrary. But if they are going to be contrary to something like Muskie stocking while at the same time claiming to be Muskie fishermen, maybe they should fish for something else? Seems like they are making very contrary decisions at best.
Some people are like that. They make decisions that simply make no sense at all. There is little or no logic to their decisions and they often seem to do things that seem self-destructive to most everyone else. And at the same time they always have ways to justify it to themselves.
Sounds like a lot of people signed. I wouldn't worry about those who refused. Just let them be contrary.
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| I cant tell you how many I got to sign I really don't know for certain, one thing is for sure no-one pushed anyone into anything, I had 2 out of all of those say no.
One was a lure maker, I wont say who but I was surprised, the other a Darkhouse spearer that Muskie fishes.
I listened to all of his concerns, we talked for I suppose 8-10 min, turns out he would like more lakes but doesn't trust the DNR to not put a spearing ban on the new lakes. We discussed allot of aspects and views, I told him how to find the Muskie Faq page and he stated he wanted to read the info and make a educated decision.
We shook hands while exchanging names thanked each other and went back to doing our thing at the show.
The people that signed I cant thank you enough, I love to talk to people about the fish, I like to promote the fish.
I especially enjoy those who wont sign for a reason or don't like Muskies for a reason, they have taught me plenty.
I always let the fire burn down and look for the logic, some are not logical and without reason they are anti-muskie automatons that cant be reached from earth.
Edited by Muskiefool 4/15/2010 12:17 AM
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Location: WI | I was planning on signing it but must not have seen where to do it. I thought it would be near the enterance. It was also the first time I went with another person so we kept distracting each other running around trying to find specific booths.
I had trouble hearing the loudspeaker. I really wish the show was still in Blaine, I don't like the St Paul layout or parking at all. |
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Location: Musky Tackle Online, MN | I was there from open to close on Saturday and didn't hear it mentioned once on the load speaker. I'm sure it was mentioned there several times. But for others like me, I didn't pay attention to loud speaker announcements so I didn't hear anything that was said there. There were a number of guys asking everyone that they could if they wanted to sign. But I didn't notice anyone that was "pushing" it on anyone.
For anyone that didn't get a chance to sign and still wants to support the proposals that are out there, here is the DNR FAQ page on the subject with links to all of the actual proposals.
http://www.dnr.state.mn.us/fish/muskellunge/muskiefaq.html
I don't have DNR Commissioner Holsten's contact info handy. But I'm sure someone else can supply that so you can let him know you appreciate the efforts of the DNR and support their proposals for stocking new waters in the state.
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Location: Ames, Iowa | Dang guys, lighten up.
Maybe some didn't like the idea of leaving a phone #. Maybe some didn't sign because they're in the witness protection program. Maybe some who were there are wanted. Who cares? 60% is pretty dang good. Can you get the petition on line here at M1st? I'll sign it. I live in IA and have a place in MN. By the way, I'd love to bash Minnesota.....I'm a 49er fan. : )
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Location: Bloomington, MN | What are the 5 proposed lakes? |
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