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| A lot of folks have questioned my love for fishing tournaments in view of how "precious" few I've actually won. I mostly fish against younger, stronger guys who can viciously rip the big rubber all day long, and against the "few" who we all agree are truly "Pros." That would be the person who takes folks out day after day and simply must figure this thing out to make the lousy living they get. Yes, I have a love of competition in general, but the true fact of why you get to be an actually "better,"really more skilled angler from doing this is the absoulutely generous, freely given, and friendly bounty of help these pros will give you over and over and over. Sometimes all you have to do is watch how they put their boat in the water or take it out. You learn this stuff from modeling the behaviour of those who know, and all you have to do is shutup and listen after you have asked. I swear I've seen them give out a good spot and the right bait to someone who just hasn't a clue where to start. And....then there's that day, every so often, when I catch a bigger fish than they do, and finish ahead of some really top guys who are far my betters. And, then do you know what happens? They come over and give me their honest congratulations and best wishes. Do I want the best sticks out there in every tournament? Darn right I do!! |
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Location: Twin Cities | Kevin Kray is also a guide who caught the beast on Indy. Surprised that is the only one caught on Indy and none were caught on Eagle or Waconia. Was anyone fishing those lakes? There is something weird going on at Indy last time I was there, bunch of dead crappies everywhere and two muskies floating near the top that didn't move when we went by. |
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| If you prevent guides from fishing, are you going to also ban those who are financially able to hire the best guides for three or four day long trips right before the tournament? Would that not be the next step in this line of thinking? |
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| Cfollow - 6/13/2016 9:32 AM
Sounds like a really tough bite. It looks like being on Tonka was the critical factor. Oh yeah, it would have helped to be a guide with a secret bait as well.
Yeah...that's like Buster Posey playing in the little league world series with a corked bat!!
Did you see that video? Clearly that was the work of a secret, and obviously magical, lure! It had nothing to do with a really great fisherman and a healthy dose of luck!
P.S. One of the coolest pieces of Muskie footage I've ever seen!!!!
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Location: Bloomington, MN | 99%of us would have completely screwed up on that rare opportunity. He is a complete professional at muskie angling.
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Location: Twin Cities | I read an article that last years 56" on tonka was caught in 50ft of water, anyone know if that is actually true? seems fishy...
Also this has been updated now-http://metromuskietournament.com/metroresults.html
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Location: MN | pistolpete314 - 6/15/2016 7:17 AM
I read an article that last years 56" on tonka was caught in 50ft of water, anyone know if that is actually true? seems fishy...
Why does that seem fishy? Ever hear of open water fishing? My only fish that's hit the bag this year came in 40+ feet of water.
Anyone ever hear of a tournament that doesn't allow guides? I'm not a big tourney guy but I haven't.
Congrats on the win and thanks for sharing that killer video! |
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Location: Elk River, MN | pistolpete314 - 6/15/2016 7:17 AM
I read an article that last years 56" on tonka was caught in 50ft of water, anyone know if that is actually true? seems fishy...
Trolling in a pontoon, they got a 55 the weekend before. |
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Location: MN | And they mean over 50 fow, not that the fish was 50' down |
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Location: Twin Cities | Propster - 6/15/2016 9:09 AM
And they mean over 50 fow, not that the fish was 50' down
Yeah good point, still is wild. Would not think to go that deep |
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Location: Twin Cities | Espy - 6/15/2016 8:05 AM
pistolpete314 - 6/15/2016 7:17 AM
I read an article that last years 56" on tonka was caught in 50ft of water, anyone know if that is actually true? seems fishy...
Trolling in a pontoon, they got a 55 the weekend before.
And a 57 the next weekend? :) |
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| What's fishy about it?? A 55" week later a 56 its called open water trolling now you learned something!! |
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| I think Guides have always fished this tournament.
John seemed like a great guy, congrats to him! Perhaps if you can't beat them you should hire them that day..... |
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| Ben Olsen - 6/14/2016 10:36 PM
Cfollow - 6/13/2016 9:32 AM
Sounds like a really tough bite. It looks like being on Tonka was the critical factor. Oh yeah, it would have helped to be a guide with a secret bait as well.
Yeah...that's like Buster Posey playing in the little league world series with a corked bat!!
Did you see that video? Clearly that was the work of a secret, and obviously magical, lure! It had nothing to do with a really great fisherman and a healthy dose of luck!
P.S. One of the coolest pieces of Muskie footage I've ever seen!!!!
The guy charging $400 a day to take you muskie fishing based on his expertise earned through time on the water and networking with other musky guides is now claiming that expertise provides no advantage in a tourney setting. LOL!! |
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| Cfollow - 6/16/2016 9:08 AM
The guy charging $400 a day to take you muskie fishing based on his expertise earned through time on the water and networking with other musky guides is now claiming that expertise provides no advantage in a tourney setting. LOL!!
Who cares!
Just go out and fish it. Maybe one year you'll win it and that'll be your moment to prove to everyone you're as good as you think you are. |
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Location: MN | CF why do you always have to be such a bag of Sweetness?
(sweetness is what this web site switched my word to. You all know what I was trying to say)
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| I'm betting there were at least 30 guys in this that guide or part-time guide in the metro now or in past.
So that means all top 12 spots should have been guides right???,, Offering yourself up has a guide does not mean you passed some state proficiency test for catching fish or have a fisheries degree, it just means you guide.
Some of these guys pursued guiding because they found they have a knack,talent,insight for the sport. They win on their talent not just time on the water, I could read the wall street journal everyday I still would lose money. I've won a fair amount of money handicapping football, on the other hand I could not pick a winner in a horse race if only one horse was in it, despite reading book after book watching video after video on speed tracking
talent trumps experience.
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| happy hooker - 6/16/2016 3:10 PM
I'm betting there were at least 30 guys in this that guide or part-time guide in the metro now or in past.
So that means all top 12 spots should have been guides right???,, Offering yourself up has a guide does not mean you passed some state proficiency test for catching fish or have a fisheries degree, it just means you guide.
Some of these guys pursued guiding because they found they have a knack,talent,insight for the sport. They win on their talent not just time on the water, I could read the wall street journal everyday I still would lose money. I've won a fair amount of money handicapping football, on the other hand I could not pick a winner in a horse race if only one horse was in it, despite reading book after book watching video after video on speed tracking
talent trumps experience.
30/525=5.7% of the total anglers.
3 guides in the top 12/12 spots= 25% of the top 12 composed of guides
I am simply saying the have an advantage. I have NOT in one single post said they shouldn't be allowed in the tournament. They are better at catching muskies than the average weekend warrior it really is that simple. |
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| Cfollow - 6/16/2016 9:08 AM
Ben Olsen - 6/14/2016 10:36 PM
Cfollow - 6/13/2016 9:32 AM
Sounds like a really tough bite. It looks like being on Tonka was the critical factor. Oh yeah, it would have helped to be a guide with a secret bait as well.
Yeah...that's like Buster Posey playing in the little league world series with a corked bat!!
Did you see that video? Clearly that was the work of a secret, and obviously magical, lure! It had nothing to do with a really great fisherman and a healthy dose of luck!
P.S. One of the coolest pieces of Muskie footage I've ever seen!!!!
The guy charging $400 a day to take you muskie fishing based on his expertise earned through time on the water and networking with other musky guides is now claiming that expertise provides no advantage in a tourney setting. LOL!!
People on here need to work on reading comprehension!! Generally, when communicating with others, you should try to read what they actually wrote. Not what you'd like to think they wrote! Reread my post and then explain to me how you got the "provides no advantage" part!!! Time on the water and expertise are absolutely THE advantage. However, you're assuming the "guide" part means more time on the water and more expertise than any number of other competitors. That is NOT an accurate assumption. Also consider the "chicken or egg" angle: Does one become a guide because they are a great fisherman or does one become a great fisherman because they are a guide. Lastly, success in muskie fishing will always be determined by luck! Even on your best day you can be bested by a kid with a snoopy pole or a walleye guy trolling cranks. Sometimes tourneys are won by the best fisherman but they're always won by someone who benefited from some good luck!!
P.S. You are right on about the networking thing!! Our network includes more non-guides than guides but it's invaluable!! Good reason to be nice and inclusive to everyone and not make all kinds of assumptions! Good Luck!
P.P.S. The lure is far less important than the guy attached to the other end! Lure fads are ridiculous!! John coulda won that tourney with about 16 different lures!!
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Location: MN | Great post by Ben. But forget about reading comprehension it's not happening on this or any other site. Im fairly new to the sport of Musky fishing but my observations are as such.
1. Lure fads are insaine I'm still trying to understand why it happens with such intensity.
2. Guides share more information and make themselves more available to those not paying for their services then any sport I've ever seen.
3. As a group Muskie guys cannibalize their own way too much and people who have success are run out of town. Guides, bait makers, stores, tv shows, take way too much abuse.
Great win by John can't we be happy for him! That hit was amazing.
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| Spot on Ben and Nathan |
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| Crazy Video |
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| Very well said Ben!!
And Nathan I agree totally with number 2. A well known guide answered a bunch of questions for me and I didn't know him at all before asking we only shared some mutual friends.
BTW I am still wondering who broke off the big white rubber bait. Someone has to know lol. |
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| When tournament fishing against guides I fear their networking information the most. Unless it's one of their "home" waters. |
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