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| bturg - 7/31/2017 10:39 PM
Not the end:
To be more specific: imagine a guy who fishes everyday,fishes very efficiently trolling a half dozen lines on average, who is out enough and good enough to really stay on the fish and pattern things well, who for years let anyone who wanted keep a fish if legal (remember it used to be 40"), who never slows down to release a fish after maybe a half dozen people have held it for a picture, who dumps fish on the deck and lets them rattle around until he (the captain) can get around to unhooking it, and then the picture taking starts..... who for years said "who cares, there's lots of them"
Now remember when things were really rocking up there and think about that toon dredging its way up and down the north shore all day and catching 3-10 a day and do the math.
And no the fish are not newborn babies, and yes people can keep a legal fish. and yes we need to educate and promote safe and healthy release. This is not about all that. This is about the respect most of of us have for the sport of Muskie fishing and doing what it takes to keep fisheries viable. Most of us. The end
And now I ask myself why did I bother typing all that...it changes nothing. Agreed, and add in to the fact that he is profiting off a natural resource all the while displaying poor conservation practices. At least in other states you have to pay large fees to become an outfitter for Big Game hunting, etc. Here, all you need is a heartbeat and you can decimate the public fisheries.
There are some guides who truly get it. I know several personally (walleye guides) who actually take a percentage of their annual income and purchase walleyes to be stocked in the lakes they fish, in accordance with lake associations, etc. Those guys should be applauded. Guys like Gene take advantage of something and have no skin in the game so don't care about using it up. He isn't going to be living forever so I guess he figures it doesn't matter. |
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| Am I the only one that thinks that Gene Miller does what he does is in spite of the years of name calling by other muskie fishermen? If you read his posts on facebook, it's almost like he's rubbing it in a little that he's against what is generally taught as the acceptable way to handle muskies. One of his main arguments is that he doesn't like putting his hands in the net with big treble hooks flying around with a big fish in the water. For all of those who are concerned, maybe we could set up a fundraiser towards Gene installing a livewell release tank like they use on St. Clair. |
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| Gene has PLENTY of money to buy his own tank, he just doesn't care. He won't be around to see what happens to the lake so it's not his problem. |
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Location: oswego, il | If he in fact said he doesn't like putting his hands in the net with hooks and is responsible for doing so, he isn't cut out to guide muskies in the first place. |
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| Schultz345 - 8/3/2017 1:46 PM Gene has PLENTY of money to buy his own tank, he just doesn't care. He won't be around to see what happens to the lake so it's not his problem. I don't know how much it would cost to have a big custom muskie sized livewell installed but I am guessing it would cost quite a bit. It seems even minor repairs to boats is pretty expensive with the labor involved. Either way, I am guessing Gene can't justify spending the money on a big livewell like they use on St. Clair or he would have one by now. I would have to think if he had a big sweet aerated livewell on his pontoon, he would have to use it right? |
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Location: Northwest Wi. | Just so ya know..Folks on da nor eastside don't much care about how he handles those fish that eat all da eyes. What matters is that in WWII he was really good with playing for da troops with that big band sound. Doe's sparkly boat guys don't spend much here anyway..He makes good money too- day say..O ya |
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Location: Apparently where the Muskie aren't | ToddM - 8/3/2017 1:52 PM
If he in fact said he doesn't like putting his hands in the net with hooks and is responsible for doing so, he isn't cut out to guide muskies in the first place.
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Location: MN | Now he's got a video up on his FB page showing one of the charters on LSC reeling in a trolling caught fish and dumping the netted fish on the floor of the boat, saying these guys are trying to tell me how to handle fish? |
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Location: central illinois | pitch'n - 8/3/2017 8:34 PM
Just so ya know..Folks on da nor eastside don't much care about how he handles those fish that eat all da eyes. What matters is that in WWII he was really good with playing for da troops with that big band sound. Doe's sparkly boat guys don't spend much here anyway..He makes good money too- day say..O ya I really don't understand what you are saying in your last two sentences. What?
Edited by dway 8/3/2017 10:32 PM
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Location: Northwest Wi. | I'm just saying that he's been at it for about 20 years now, At least now they put the fish back in the water, If they live or not,who knows... Gone are the days of "Beluga Beach" and all those big pike that were bonus fish on the north-end. Nothing will change. |
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Location: Apparently where the Muskie aren't | dway - 8/3/2017 10:30 PM
pitch'n - 8/3/2017 8:34 PM
Just so ya know..Folks on da nor eastside don't much care about how he handles those fish that eat all da eyes. What matters is that in WWII he was really good with playing for da troops with that big band sound. Doe's sparkly boat guys don't spend much here anyway..He makes good money too- day say..O ya I really don't understand what you are saying in your last two sentences. What?
What I've understood from past posts, "sparkly boat guys" means guys with rangers or other big glass boats. Maybe it's wrong but that's what I picked up. |
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Location: Chisholm, MN | Baby Mallard - 8/3/2017 7:18 PM
Schultz345 - 8/3/2017 1:46 PM Gene has PLENTY of money to buy his own tank, he just doesn't care. He won't be around to see what happens to the lake so it's not his problem. I don't know how much it would cost to have a big custom muskie sized livewell installed but I am guessing it would cost quite a bit. It seems even minor repairs to boats is pretty expensive with the labor involved. Either way, I am guessing Gene can't justify spending the money on a big livewell like they use on St. Clair or he would have one by now. I would have to think if he had a big sweet aerated livewell on his pontoon, he would have to use it right?
Pretty sure it would be illegal to put a muskie in a livewell unless it's 54" anyway. |
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| Kirby Budrow - 8/4/2017 2:31 PM
Baby Mallard - 8/3/2017 7:18 PM
Schultz345 - 8/3/2017 1:46 PM Gene has PLENTY of money to buy his own tank, he just doesn't care. He won't be around to see what happens to the lake so it's not his problem. I don't know how much it would cost to have a big custom muskie sized livewell installed but I am guessing it would cost quite a bit. It seems even minor repairs to boats is pretty expensive with the labor involved. Either way, I am guessing Gene can't justify spending the money on a big livewell like they use on St. Clair or he would have one by now. I would have to think if he had a big sweet aerated livewell on his pontoon, he would have to use it right?
Pretty sure it would be illegal to put a muskie in a livewell unless it's 54" anyway.
I've seen this discussed before. I think any respectable DNR or sheriff would realize you're trying to do the right thing to help the fish. Now in Gene's case he never slows the boat down when catching fish, so he would be held liable for keeping any fish he put in his livewell. Another reason, I'm sure, that he won't get one. |
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| Schultz345 - 8/4/2017 2:41 PM Kirby Budrow - 8/4/2017 2:31 PM Baby Mallard - 8/3/2017 7:18 PM Schultz345 - 8/3/2017 1:46 PM Gene has PLENTY of money to buy his own tank, he just doesn't care. He won't be around to see what happens to the lake so it's not his problem. I don't know how much it would cost to have a big custom muskie sized livewell installed but I am guessing it would cost quite a bit. It seems even minor repairs to boats is pretty expensive with the labor involved. Either way, I am guessing Gene can't justify spending the money on a big livewell like they use on St. Clair or he would have one by now. I would have to think if he had a big sweet aerated livewell on his pontoon, he would have to use it right? Pretty sure it would be illegal to put a muskie in a livewell unless it's 54" anyway. I've seen this discussed before. I think any respectable DNR or sheriff would realize you're trying to do the right thing to help the fish. Now in Gene's case he never slows the boat down when catching fish, so he would be held liable for keeping any fish he put in his livewell. Another reason, I'm sure, that he won't get one. Both of you make good points. If allowed by the MN DNR, the use of the livewell would help the fish recover for a better release in Gene's situation. |
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Location: Northwest Wi. | BTW..The song used before "Thunderstruck" was Queens' "Another one bites the dust"....how true.Sad. |
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Location: Apparently where the Muskie aren't | Baby Mallard - 8/4/2017 3:37 PM
Schultz345 - 8/4/2017 2:41 PM Kirby Budrow - 8/4/2017 2:31 PM Baby Mallard - 8/3/2017 7:18 PM Schultz345 - 8/3/2017 1:46 PM Gene has PLENTY of money to buy his own tank, he just doesn't care. He won't be around to see what happens to the lake so it's not his problem. I don't know how much it would cost to have a big custom muskie sized livewell installed but I am guessing it would cost quite a bit. It seems even minor repairs to boats is pretty expensive with the labor involved. Either way, I am guessing Gene can't justify spending the money on a big livewell like they use on St. Clair or he would have one by now. I would have to think if he had a big sweet aerated livewell on his pontoon, he would have to use it right? Pretty sure it would be illegal to put a muskie in a livewell unless it's 54" anyway. I've seen this discussed before. I think any respectable DNR or sheriff would realize you're trying to do the right thing to help the fish. Now in Gene's case he never slows the boat down when catching fish, so he would be held liable for keeping any fish he put in his livewell. Another reason, I'm sure, that he won't get one. Both of you make good points. If allowed by the MN DNR, the use of the livewell would help the fish recover for a better release in Gene's situation.
There's no reason I would see them say he can't use it. First off it doesn't even look like a live well you would put a fish you want to keep in and I'm sure the DNR would be ok with him taking care of these muskie that cost so much to stock. But according to his Facebook posts this guy doesn't have a good relationship with the DNR. |
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| it look a lot like troller of st-clair style ;( .mostly due to boat design and planer board.does the fish swim away strong and healthy ?i don't think so |
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| horsehunter - 7/31/2017 11:36 AM
. Muskies are actually pretty tough as long as the water temperatures are not to high. imo not so tough at all compared to bass,catfish,sturgeon,gar,eel,bowfin,carp.finally almost all the species are tougher than musky,except salmonids species that will almost die at you if the flash of the cam is too bright lol |
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Location: Chisholm, MN | Musky_Mo16 - 8/4/2017 8:11 PM
Baby Mallard - 8/4/2017 3:37 PM
Schultz345 - 8/4/2017 2:41 PM Kirby Budrow - 8/4/2017 2:31 PM Baby Mallard - 8/3/2017 7:18 PM Schultz345 - 8/3/2017 1:46 PM Gene has PLENTY of money to buy his own tank, he just doesn't care. He won't be around to see what happens to the lake so it's not his problem. I don't know how much it would cost to have a big custom muskie sized livewell installed but I am guessing it would cost quite a bit. It seems even minor repairs to boats is pretty expensive with the labor involved. Either way, I am guessing Gene can't justify spending the money on a big livewell like they use on St. Clair or he would have one by now. I would have to think if he had a big sweet aerated livewell on his pontoon, he would have to use it right? Pretty sure it would be illegal to put a muskie in a livewell unless it's 54" anyway. I've seen this discussed before. I think any respectable DNR or sheriff would realize you're trying to do the right thing to help the fish. Now in Gene's case he never slows the boat down when catching fish, so he would be held liable for keeping any fish he put in his livewell. Another reason, I'm sure, that he won't get one. Both of you make good points. If allowed by the MN DNR, the use of the livewell would help the fish recover for a better release in Gene's situation.
There's no reason I would see them say he can't use it. First off it doesn't even look like a live well you would put a fish you want to keep in and I'm sure the DNR would be ok with him taking care of these muskie that cost so much to stock. But according to his Facebook posts this guy doesn't have a good relationship with the DNR.
The reason would be that it's the law and most CO'S do not act the way we hope they would. Trust me on this one and take it from a guy who works for the DNR. I would not go around doing something that is illegal, but makes sense in your eyes hoping that the GW will be cool with it. 90 percent of them will see it differently. Sorry to say. |
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