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| greyghost - 8/15/2016 5:55 PM
I call BS to the whole story. From the size, to the "fight" to the test of line and leader. Take a look at the recent Michigan state record 58"/58#''er, and tell me which is bigger.
Article says there were 3 men in the boat and 4 lines out. Ontario fishing regulations clearly state 1 rod per person is allowed which means that this fish was caught illegally. I'm glad I'm not the only person to catch this fact. Having written Larry Ramsell,
he confirms others have made him aware of it as well. I only hope someone notifies the
Canadian Ministry. I'd love to hear the word "busted." I'm sure there are some out there who would say I'm jealous. Well, I suppose you'd think i was jealous of the guy who tried to register a 12# largemouth as a new Michigan Record several years ago, a fish bigger than my PB. Turns out the Michigan DNR had scale samples sent to a lab that determined this "record" was a Florida strain bass. Busted. I think they were within the regulations to be fishing with 2 lines each.I believe they were fishing in Whitefish Falls which is in Zone 10 and considered part of the Great Lakes(Lake Huron in this case) where two lines are permitted.See regulations below.
Ontario Recreational Fishing Regulations 2016
Page 8
Fisheries Management Zone or Zone – The province is divided into 20 Fisheries Management Zones for which there are general regulations that establish open seasons, limits and size limits (where applicable) for popular fish species (see also Exceptions, page 7).
Hook – A hook includes a single-pointed or multiple-pointed hook on a common shaft but does not include a snagger or spring gaff. The number of hooks includes any single-pointed or multiple-pointed hooks that are part of a lure.
***Hooks and Lines*** – An angler may use only one line, unless otherwise stated in the regulations. Two lines may be used when angling from a boat in parts of the Great Lakes (see exceptions to the general regulations) and for ice fishing in many areas (see Ice Fishing, page 11). A fishing line must not have more than four hooks attached.
Immediate Release of Fish – All fish that are caught unlawfully or are illegal to possess (e.g., during the closed season, of prohibited size, or are in excess of the catch and possession limits) must be immediately released at the place and time of capture. This includes fish that may be injured during catch. This rule does not apply to invasive species like goby which should be destroyed and not released back into any waters (see General Prohibitions).
Lead Sinkers and Jigs – It is illegal to use or possess lead fishing sinkers or jigs in Canada’s National Parks and National Wildlife Areas. Further information is available at www.ec.gc.ca/flf-psp/ default.asp?lang=En&n=80A2A&AF-1
Live Holding Boxes – If you use a live holding box or impounding device, it must be clearly marked with your name and address and it must be legible without having to lift the box, unless it forms part of or is attached to a boat. Any fish in holding boxes are part of your limit. Always monitor fish in your possession; allowing fish to waste is an offence. Catch and retain possession limits apply to live holding boxes.
Livewell – A livewell is a compartment designed to keep fish alive. For a livewell to be used to selectively release Bass, Walleye and Northern Pike, it must be attached to or form part of a boat, hold a total volume of not less than 46 litres (10 gallons) of water, have the capacity for water exchange and be mechanically aerated at all times when live fish are being held in it (see Ontario’s Catch and Retain Rules, page 9). Remember, live fish may not be transported overland without a permit. Livewells should be drained before leaving a waterbody.
Muskellunge – For the purposes of this summary, Muskellunge includes Muskellunge and hybrids of Muskellunge and Northern Pike.
Open Seasons – Fishing season opening and closing dates vary depending on the species and the area. Dates are inclusive: all dates including the first and last dates stated in the summary are open or closed. It is illegal to attempt to catch fish for which the season is closed, even if you are going to release them. Fish accidentally caught during the closed season must be immediately released back to the water. Unless stated otherwise, species that are not listed (such as sucker and Rock Bass) have a year-round open season.
Pacific Salmon - For the purpose of this summary, Pacific Salmon include Chinook Salmon, Coho Salmon and Pink Salmon.
Size Limits – All size limits refer to total length which is a measure from the tip of the mouth with the jaws closed to the tip of the tail, with the tail fin lobes compressed to give the maximum possible length. Provincial regulations are established using the metric system.
NOTE: If you catch a fish in a restricted size range, you must release it immediately (see Units of Measure).
Sunfish – For the purpose of this summary, sunfish includes Pumpkinseed, Bluegill, other species of the genus Lepomis and their hybrids.
Units of Measure – There are many units of measure referred to in the summary. Provincial regulations are established using the metric system and converted to imperial measurement units for the convenience of anglers. The following short forms are used:
• km = kilometre (or mi. = mile) • m = metre (or ft. = feet) • cm = centimetre (or in. = inches)
GENERAL PROHIBITIONS – IT IS ILLEGAL TO:
• Transport live fish, other than baitfish, taken from Ontario waters or to transfer or stock any fish into Ontario’s waters without a special licence to transport or stock fish.
• Transfer live fish or live spawn from one body of water to another without the authorization of the Ministry of Natural Resources and Forestry.
• Possess any of the following live invasive species: Rudd, Ruffe, Bighead Carp, Black Carp, Grass Carp, Silver Carp, Round Goby, Tubenose Goby or any member of the snakehead family.
• Use live fish other than those listed as baitfish (page 10) for bait.
• Fish for or possess any species of Fish listed as Endangered or Threatened under the provincial Endangered Species Act and/or federal Species at Risk Act.
• Sell or buy any recreationally-caught fish (including taxidermy mounts), crayfish, leeches, frogs, fish eggs or spawn. Only holders of commercial fishing or commercial bait licences may sell their catch.
• Possess a spring gaff, snagger or spear gun within 30 m (98 ft.)?of any waters. A spring gaff includes any device which uses a mechanical spring, other than the fishing rod under tension, to set the hook for an angler. No person shall take fish with a gaff, snare, snagger or spear gun. A gaff, other than a spring gaff, may be used to assist in landing fish caught by lawful means.
• Catch a fish by impaling or snagging it with a hook through any part of the body other than the mouth – any fish hooked in this way must be released immediately.
• Take fish by any means other than angling, spear, bow and arrow, net or bait fish trap.
• Possess a spear for the purpose of fishing on or within 30 m (98 ft.) of the edge of any waters except when fishing in accordance with the regulations (see Non-angling Methods, page 11).
• Use artificial lights to attract fish except:?– to fish for smelt, or to fish for Lake Whitefish or Lake Herring
with a dip net?– if the light is part of a lure attached to a line used in angling.
• Use dynamite or other explosives to take or destroy fish.
• Fish within 25 m (81.8 ft.) of a pound net or fish culture cage.
• Fish within 22.9 m (75 ft.) downstream from the lower entrance to any fishway or canal, obstacle, or any device designed to assist fish around an obstacle.
• Abandon fish or permit the flesh to spoil, if the fish is suitable for human consumption.
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Location: Honor, MI | Not if they were fishing in Iroquois or McGregor Bay. In addition, the fish was originally
reported as a 56X27.
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Location: E. Tenn | Heckuva fish... it's a shame the story makes it seem like this..
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Location: Algonac, MI | How big? LOL |
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| they were fishing in a 1 line per angler area. for sure. i'm positive. |
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Location: Honor, MI | Thanks tomcat! I'm really done with this thread. As far as I'm concerned they found the fish floating belly up, if you look closely you can make out the mold. LOL. But for anyone who doubts what I've said I'll to take Larry Ramell's word to the bank, eh? |
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Location: Contrarian Island | some of the fish on the interweb are pretty funny this year... 38 lb skinny 50s, 58 inchers from Indiana, now a 72 lber ... bumpboards and accurate scales are optional! |
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| tomcat - 8/16/2016 1:46 PM
they were fishing in a 1 line per angler area. for sure. i'm positive.
Today I called three Ontario Ministry of Natural Resources offices.The Main Office in Peterborough,the District Office in Sault Ste.Marie and the Field Office in Blind River.Two of the offices have returned my call and the third will be getting back to me tomorrow.The two that have returned my call have both said that the river from Whitefish Falls that leads and flows into Lake Huron is considered part of Zone 10 and fishing with two lines per person is permitted when entering Lake Huron from the Whitefish Falls river system.
In the article it stated that the father and son were staying at Bay Villa Lodge which is situated at the mouth of the Whitefish Falls river system that flows into Lake Huron.The Bay Villa Lodge is a stones throw from Lake Huron so it would only be logical to come to the conclusion that they were fishing the lake when they caught the Muskie and therefore legally fishing with 2 lines each as stated in the Zone 10 regulations for 2016.
Edited by Lake Of The Woods 8/17/2016 4:36 PM
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| Lake Of The Woods - 8/17/2016 5:35 PM
tomcat - 8/16/2016 1:46 PM
they were fishing in a 1 line per angler area. for sure. i'm positive.
Today I called three Ontario Ministry of Natural Resources offices.The Main Office in Peterborough,the District Office in Sault Ste.Marie and the Field Office in Blind River.Two of the offices have returned my call and the third will be getting back to me tomorrow.The two that have returned my call have both said that the river from Whitefish Falls that leads and flows into Lake Huron is considered part of Zone 10 and fishing with two lines per person is permitted when entering Lake Huron from the Whitefish Falls river system.
In the article it stated that the father and son were staying at Bay Villa Lodge which is situated at the mouth of the Whitefish Falls river system that flows into Lake Huron.The Bay Villa Lodge is a stones throw from Lake Huron so it would only be logical to come to the conclusion that they were fishing the lake when they caught the Muskie and therefore legally fishing with 2 lines each as stated in the Zone 10 regulations for 2016.
that is not zone 10 its zone 14. zone 14 is 1 rod a man. its right in the regulations book its been like that since the dawn of time |
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Location: Lake Country, Wisconsin | BNelson - 8/16/2016 3:28 PM
some of the fish on the interweb are pretty funny this year... 38 lb skinny 50s, 58 inchers from Indiana, now a 72 lber ... bumpboards and accurate scales are optional!
The Indiana 58 is great.... |
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Location: Ashland WI | Rocky1 - 8/17/2016 6:38 PM
Lake Of The Woods - 8/17/2016 5:35 PM
tomcat - 8/16/2016 1:46 PM
they were fishing in a 1 line per angler area. for sure. i'm positive.
Today I called three Ontario Ministry of Natural Resources offices.The Main Office in Peterborough,the District Office in Sault Ste.Marie and the Field Office in Blind River.Two of the offices have returned my call and the third will be getting back to me tomorrow.The two that have returned my call have both said that the river from Whitefish Falls that leads and flows into Lake Huron is considered part of Zone 10 and fishing with two lines per person is permitted when entering Lake Huron from the Whitefish Falls river system.
In the article it stated that the father and son were staying at Bay Villa Lodge which is situated at the mouth of the Whitefish Falls river system that flows into Lake Huron.The Bay Villa Lodge is a stones throw from Lake Huron so it would only be logical to come to the conclusion that they were fishing the lake when they caught the Muskie and therefore legally fishing with 2 lines each as stated in the Zone 10 regulations for 2016.
that is not zone 10 its zone 14. zone 14 is 1 rod a man. its right in the regulations book its been like that since the dawn of time
Dawn of time??? |
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Location: Maple Grove, MN | I think its a nice fish, but not the giant they are claiming. That is still a fish of a lifetime for many people and nothing to be ashamed of. But, somehow it seems they sort of ruined the whole thing by exaggerating. Seems a little sad to me.
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Location: St. Lawrence River | That guy must be strong AF... looks like a solid 49". |
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Location: Bloomington, MN | Lake Holiday sure puts out some big fish!
http://movie-sounds.org/old-movie-samples/a-christmas-story-1983/so...
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| tomcat - 8/16/2016 1:46 PM
they were fishing in a 1 line per angler area. for sure. i'm positive. Ok,I spoke with Mark B. a Conservation Officer that works out of the Sault Ste.Marie Ministry of Natural Resources District Office.Turns out he knows some Conservation Officers I know in Kenora when working for the MNR there,huh,...small world,...but I digress.
So,we discussed the one line and two line areas in Zone 14 of Lake Huron.He confirmed that the only two line area in Zone 14 is along the the St.Marys River at Sault Ste.Marie from the Compensating Works(Lock Systems) heading downstream to Hay Bay(3.5km east of Bruce Mines) in the North Channel and due south from there to where the Canadian-American Lake Huron boundary line is.
That is not the way it was explained to me when I initially spoke with someone at the Main Office in Peterborough and then made my post here.
Well,it is crystal clear to me now that the two anglers in the article were fishing illegally.
Also,Conservation Officer Mark B. told me a story of an angler from the USA who they caught last year with 52" 57lb. Muskie that was 2 inches short of the legal size limit for Zone 14.It cost that angler $5,000.
He also was telling me that he was talking to some anglers fishing 'Hog Bay' in Zone 14 near Midland and said they caught 18 Muskie in one day.Is anyone familiar with fishing this area and if so did you also get high numbers of fish?
The attached photo shows the two line area for zone 14 and is contained within the red dashed line.
Edited by Lake Of The Woods 8/19/2016 6:26 PM
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