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| If i throw a DC10 into the water, and want to retrieve it as fast as possible. What should i use a stock handle a a power handle?
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Location: Northern New Jersey | Zinox - 1/14/2013 4:06 AM
If i throw a DC10 into the water, and want to retrieve it as fast as possible. What should i use a stock handle a a power handle?
Edit: Reformulation.
lol i think you already know the answer to this seeing that you proved the physics behind the fact. torque= force(in newtons) x distance of lever (in meters). So without knowing exactly how much force you are putting on what length handle to reel in a DC10, the answer is unobtainable, but one can hypothesize. In my eyes, it really just comes down to preference and people always need the next best thing and need to justify it. if you take a liking to something, stick with it. if not, on to the next one.
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Location: Eagan, MN | Sworrall has it exactly right. This was covered in 11th grade physics, guys. |
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Location: Rhinelander, Wisconsin | The issue at hand is not burning here. It's whether the retrieve is 'slower' with a power handle. It is overall, because it takes longer to turn the power handle.
If you want to burn big baits without wearing yourself to a nub, get the reel with the most line picked up per turn of the handle that will hold up to the abuse, and the power handle that will allow use for extended periods of time without physical exhaustion/abuse. Match 'em up, and there you have it. |
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| wow, some in this thread might need to go back to school! 
I'll chime in and say to the question about putting on the power handle or stock handle...be careful what some manufacturers call a "power handle" ..i.e. Abu Toro's power handle isn't ANY longer than the stock double paddle handle...so if you want to add a better handle to that reel slap on a TE power handle...works great and actually provies more leverage to make slow rolling a breeze.... |
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Location: Latitude 41.3016 Longitude 88.6160 | My thoughts on handle length, Lets take a ABU 6500 it comes with a very small 3 1/2 inch handle length, so you would think you could turn it faster then say a 5" long handle, but on the 3 1/2" handle you end up using more of a wrist action to turn the 3 1/2 " handle and on the 5" handle you will use your forearm action more to turn the 5" handle. The forearm action is much more comfortable and less stressfull , therefore it's just as fast to crank, and you end up cranking faster than a small handle because it is less stressfull and more comfortable so you will be faster.
Also as I said in my post above a longer handle will give you more LEVERAGE over a short handle, both the short and the long handles will apply the same amount of torque to the spool but the longer handle will have more LEVERAGE and you will have less effort on a long handle and you will be faster then a short handle.
IPT inches per turn on a reel, the line pickup, the handle length will not change the IPT, the 3 things that will is 1 - gear ratio, 2 - spool circumference, and 3 -the amount of line on the spool. |
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| Leverage IS torque. Longer handle = more torque to the spool. A human can only put so much power to the reel, if you increase the leverage by putting on a power handle you increase the pulling power of the reel. Since the reel works off of shafts in rotation the force measured is called Torque.
Also the empty dia of the spool has no meaning to the inches per crank, number 2 on your list. Its the dia of the spool with the line on it that matters, its a dymanic, it is always changeing as you retrieve your cast inches per crank increases as your bait gets close to you. So the correct list would be 1. gear ratio 2. Dia of spool with the line on it. |
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| PIKEMASTER - 1/14/2013 5:46 PMon the 3 1/2" handle you end up using more of a wrist action to turn the 3 1/2 " handle and on the 5" handle you will use your forearm action more to turn the 5" handle. The forearm action is much more comfortable and less stressfull , therefore it's just as fast to crank, and you end up cranking faster than a small handle because it is less stressfull and more comfortable so you will be faster.
Right on! Once I put the LJV handle on my Tranx, it was noticeably easier for me to achieve the same thing. I'm not a rocket scientist on my way to NASA either.
I just actually have the reel, put the different handle on, and used it.
No need to over think this.LOL |
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Location: Latitude 41.3016 Longitude 88.6160 | anzomcik - 1/14/2013 6:43 PM
Leverage IS torque. Longer handle = more torque to the spool. A human can only put so much power to the reel, if you increase the leverage by putting on a power handle you increase the pulling power of the reel. Since the reel works off of shafts in rotation the force measured is called Torque.
Also the empty dia of the spool has no meaning to the inches per crank, number 2 on your list. Its the dia of the spool with the line on it that matters, its a dymanic, it is always changeing as you retrieve your cast inches per crank increases as your bait gets close to you. So the correct list would be 1. gear ratio 2. Dia of spool with the line on it.
In my opion a longer handle allows you to apply more LEVERAGE and allows you to more easily apply the torque to the gears, the spool is turrned as the result of a mechanical advantage of the reels gearing. Whatever the case of torque and leverage the handle will turn easily and that works for me. Also don't forget the factor that fishing reels are not hard splined to the drive gear, there is where the drag comes into play, the drag will only allow a certain amount of torque to ever be applied, after that it makes no difference you can only apply a set amount of torque, before it overcomes the drag ability to prevent it from slipping. |
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| anzomcik - 1/14/2013 6:43 PM
Leverage IS torque. Longer handle = more torque to the spool. A human can only put so much power to the reel, if you increase the leverage by putting on a power handle you increase the pulling power of the reel. Since the reel works off of shafts in rotation the force measured is called Torque.
Agreed but i would rather use the word force instead of power.
And as says Pikemaster there is a certain limit of torque you can apply to the spool, becasue of the drag. But if someone is able get the drag to slip when you burn your big blades eg dc10, imho he´s drag is set way to loose. |
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| How would the HG with the LJV handle compare to use the PG with the stock handle for reeling in double tens and slack on big rubber? What im going to get mine for.. |
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Location: Perryville, MO | I thought about it...no...its not the same thing at all. Now "torque" and "work" are being confused.
Anyway...thanks, Pikemaster (and VMS), for again making sense in this discussion. |
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Location: Okoboji | how much do the ljv handles cost? i am thinking on this |
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Location: Lebanon,Mo | kodiak - 1/17/2013 7:42 AM
how much do the ljv handles cost? i am thinking on this
About $40...through Shimano or Daves Reel Service. |
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