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Location: Northern Illinois | Chain o lakes.... fish in the water, off points, drops, sand bars....etc.. rattling lures.
Petenwell........ Mouth of river to flowage, bucktails, cranks, jerks.
in the river... on drops with stump fields, shoreline tight and slow.
Local lakes......for me. |
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Location: Ontario, California | Well... I can give you my perspective on what reports did for my fishing in California for trophy Largemouth. I told everyone and their mother where, how, why, when, etc... on any chance that I could on the message boards. After time I realized that the glare that I saw across the lake was binoculars looking at how I set up on structure.... or the other boat that I have seen pull up to a spot after I leave it and spin circles... what about the guy that pulls up 15 feet from my boat while I'm fishing a spot and hits a waypoint GPS? He then has the gaul to asks me if the one I just caught was over 12 pounds. I simply got fed up with doing all the work and letting someone take the easy road. I quit posting.
Today I will give a very general report that can be informative, yet not to the point where I give up the full scoop. I like reports as much as others but as most of us know... if there's 10 guys posting... there's a thousand that are lurking just taking it all in for free.
By the way... you go to any of the Trophy Bass sites today and you will see maybe 1 report a month whereas 4 years ago... you would get 25 in a week. Times have changed.
Edited by California_Muskie 5/24/2007 2:38 PM
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Location: Southeast Wisconsin | In a nut shell..."your damed if you do and your damed if you dont" If your not getting bashed for giving too little info, your getting slammed by the guys who say your revealing too much..Most people dont wanna deal with that crap and I guarantee you that most of the guides wouldnt even post if it werent for the business aspect.
If it were up to me I would abolish the internet all together.. |
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Location: Rhinelander, Wisconsin | Like everything, some folks consider ideas, concepts, and techniques more 'valuable' than others. I respect any information source's wishes not to divulge waters fished if that's part of the deal. Other than that, I'm not afraid to share information with most, or to post a report here.
Like everything, some folks are just plain more willing to share information. Some are reclusive, some are defensive, and some are generous. That's people.
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| Ben, not to pick on you but I don't get what you are saying. You are a guide so you are saying you have to post to drum up business? There are tons of guides and some that are booked 200+ days a year that don't post a single report.
It is up to you, if you don't want to be on the net, then don't be.
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Interesting dichotomy. |
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Location: Southeast Wisconsin | LOL Steve!! Nice vocab..!!
Your right bulldawger, I dont have to be, but it sure helps..Dont take it the wrong way. I dont mind helping people out at all. Anything I post in my reports is honest and accurate. I just think that some people make it so that other people dont even bother posting in the first place..
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Location: Rhinelander, Wisconsin | That I would agree with! |
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Location: Pewaukee, Wisconsin | Fishing reports are a two way street. If you give too much you piss people off and if you give nothing it has a negative effect also. I believe on smaller less presured lakes a detailed report might hurt. On larger Metro lakes it is not that big of a deal. You can take guys out and put them on fish with the exact baits needed to catch fish and if the conditions were wrong they will still come up empty. Thats muskie fishing at times.
There is way more to the muskie puzzle than a spot and a bait, expecially on presured lakes. I believe a guide job goes past that. So a few general areas that are holding fish, some lure tips and thats a good report.
Basicly a report should be about the same info you would get from the local bait shops in that area. They want you to catch fish and most will point out your basic hot spots and baits. My web site reports are more fishing storys and a few tips to get you on a fish.
Now it's your job to make it eat, enjoy it, and then release it for the next guy and the next guy......... |
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Location: Nowheresville, MN | Pressure is pressure. Small lake or metro. Ice fishing or trolling. Today or three weeks ago. Did anybody on here fish Mille Lacs 5-6-10 years ago? I'd be interested to see if you had to fish at night to catch fish during mid-summer. The belief that just one more boat on a lake won't hurt because there are already 20 is such a farse. Don't worry I'm not pointing fingers. This thought process doesn't only occur in muskie fisherman either. Walleye, panfish, duck hunting etc.
All this hoopla about elitists has me thinking. What if instead of catching a 50", my dream is to be able to fish without seeing any boats on the water. No difference in clubbing a fish and blabbing at the local pub in this case. YOu either take a fish away that can't be caught or ruin a spot that will never be secret again. You can always grow fish, but you can't make new lakes or spots on the spot. When people give info they forget others. I'm sure you have heard it before, it goes like this. You get to talking to someone and they say "well since I don't fish/hunt there anymore I might as well tell someone about it". What about the other guys who enjoy the secret spot? Everyone forgets about that.
As to the folks who get mad when not enough info is divulged. If they are not your friends of clients, tell them to stop wasting time whining and find out for themselves. |
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Location: Rhinelander, Wisconsin | Secret spot? The lake was there before us and was fished by some VERY good fishermen, and will be after. As I have said before, Crocodile Dundee said it well, paraphrasing here:
It's like the fleas arguing over who owns the dog they are on. |
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Location: Black Creek, WI | I like how DogBoy turned the table. Selfish (withholding info) vs. Freeloader (those seeking instant gratification). What side of the fence are YOU on?
What ever happened to the THRILL OF THE HUNT?
Call me crazy... but most of the fun and "sense of accomplishment" that goes into a good musky catch.... isn't so much the catch.... but the events leading up to it.
What would you be most proud of.... having someone give you a list of waypoints, times, and lures to use... and then show up and enjoy the CATCH? OR.... figuring out your own spots, times, and lures to get that success? I'll take the latter....
To further that example.... would you be more proud to tell someone that you are a billionaire from winning the lottery or inventing the greatest musky lure ever? Yah... you are a billionaire either way... but HOW you got there can make a difference.... to some people.
So... I think fishing reports should provide information to help educate... so people can APPLY that info themselves. But to DIRECT someone with a report would be cheating them out of the whole experience... in my opinion.
And besides... how trustworthy are most reports anyway? Credibility is uncertain on the internet.... so those seeking detailed reports might actually hurt their chances at success should they stumble onto some not-so-trustworthy information.
Long story short... I think reports should be generic. Those wanting to learn how to catch fish should read the message boards and ask quetions for how to apply the info obtained in the "Fishing Reports".
So... maybe the name needs to change? Call them CONDITIONS REPORTS? General info for water temps., weed development, water clarity, etc.?
I dunno....
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