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Location: Lindenhurst, Illinois | Le Bowl De Toilet Flyers are in. |
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Location: Minneapolis,Minnesota | Team CTR is in! |
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| Better make that 17 new teams, Slamr. Unfortunately, I just looked at my schedule for the year, and have, on average, only one free weekend for the summer. As hard as it was to arrange to fish the same day as the oppenent was last year, I have little hope of ever getting it arranged with my schedule this year.
Good luck to all teams. My money is on Nwild! He's hungry! |
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Location: West Bend, WI | In.....(need partner) |
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Location: Eastern Ontario | I believe the idea on match fishing is to have teams face off one on one at the same time and anywhere. When it comes to pool play all teams in the pool should be playing one another and have a clear winner but that did not happen and you decided to have a system where team A can lose to team B in pool play and team A moves ahead and team B does not which is totally bogus. I have yet to see any kind of a sport where a losing team moves on and the winning team goes home. Why not just have a lotterie and draw the winners then it would be the same. The idea of totaling the points from previous matches is a bad one, we have set rules to matchfishing on the same day so that anglers get somewhat the same conditions ect ect. This is not a long season of many matches where you can take points to break a tie this was a 2 event of one on one fishing and a losing team moved on over the team that defeated them. Slamr can say whatever he wants it was a big flaw and I hope for everyone that will participate this year that the rules are set for winners to advance and losers do not. This Matchfishing thing was set up for everyone to have fun and not emfasized so much on competition but there has to be a clear winner and a clear loser in any kind of sport. Hey I can say I went undefeated in 03, time restraints will decide if I will join in 04 and keep my streak going for one more year. |
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Location: Rhinelander, Wisconsin | OK, let's say a team from Illinois and another from Colorado face off on a Saturday. The Illinois team catches NOTHING. The Colorado team catches NOTHING. The other teams fishing that Saturday all catch fish. How is the zero zero match to be scored? The goal of any team headed out to the water is to put a fish in the net. A double blank is NOT a tie, it is a loss for both teams. If there has to be a clear winner in every round, then the double blank HAS to be scored as a loss or there has to be a rematch. I believe the rematch idea was rejected because it was accurately decided the teams would get too far behind, or have to forfeit because of time issues.
Obviously,in every fishing event I have ever scored or attended points from inches or pounds decide who wins. Let's say during a round two teams have a zero-zero day, and another team has had a day with three fish. Unfortunately for them, their opponent caught three as well, and got a higher point score. They scored a loss despite the three fish day. Are you saying the zero-zero teams potentially advance over the three fish team?
The issue here is how to score a double blank. I can't see it as a point scored in any way, because NO fish were caught. Rules group, is there ANY other way to score a double blank other than command a rematch or score it as a loss? I feel that a rematch isn't right either. Everyone gets their day on the water, if one catches nothing, one loses. A rematch gives both the zero-zero teams TWO days to catch a fish. |
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Location: Lake City,Pa. | If this is the sign up, count the C.C.Riders in. |
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Location: Eastern Ontario | Then Steve lets not call it match fishing and change the name to something else. One goes out there with the intention of defeating the other team, if one thinks one fish is enough then they may quit early and go do other things but if it is not a match fishing event but a points thing anglers would be smarter to stay out there as many hours as possible just in case the next event day sucks. This would mean that top 4 teams would advance and not top team in each pool. Like you said what if the 3 fish guys were to lose to both teams in their pool play then the other 3 pools never had a 3 fish total they should move on. This is like telling Tiger Woods after he wins is match play event today that he does not advance because another golfer who lost is match had a better score then he did. You can't have both, is it score or it is one on one match? |
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Location: Eagan, MN | I'll throw my hat into the ring. None of my friends are serious muskie fisherman, so if anyone in the Twin Cities area needs a partner let me know. It would be good to get out w/ some other muskie people. |
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Location: Northwest Chicago Burbs | It is matchfishing, and it will be called matchfishing as long as MuskieFIRST is running it. Two teams face off on a day, same day, fishing their butts off to beat another team. Thats what matchfishing was, and what it will be.
Bottom line, the rules were what the rules were, they were laid out a month before the competition began, and even before the signup was put out. Consensus among organizers, myself, participating members, and the owner of the website (who regardless of my desires for anything that I run will always have the final say so) is that a tie is a loss.
For next year I am assuming the rules will be the same in regard to this issue, being that "rematches" are difficult to schedule (I'm nervous already about asking the pool teams to do 3 matches in 2 months; not everyone fishes 75+ days a year) and a double blank is a double loss. Wins will be the only thing that counts, and a records tie to decide the advancing team out of pool play will still be based on points.
I personally hope that everyone who participated last year will participate again, however, the rules will be laid out before the sign up once again, and people are very free to choose whether or not they desire to get involved.
Richard I am sorry that you don't agree with the rules as they were laid out last year before the tourney started, but I do hope that you can find a way to participate again next year. For the sake of the viewing audience, can you please refrain from airing your feelings on this issue further on the board, and instead email, message, or call me (847/989-9271) so that we can discuss it more directly.
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Location: Northwest Chicago Burbs | One last thing on this issue, yes the goal of each team in matchfishing is to win, but the real purpose of doing it is for FUN. There is no money on the line, no money to enter, just fun and getting to be involved with fellow muskie fisherpeople (that was for you P&J) across the country. Let's not forget these things.
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