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as we stated before 5-7 thousand people show up and vote. where is everyone else?
680 some thousand deer hunt. how many in state fishing liscenses???? lots
but a small minorttity go and vote for issues.
sad,sad,sad..............
as magnum said some work 2nd shift, i wish we could have a system of absentee ballots?
just a thought.
hopefully our biologist now takes the bull by the horns.
he said if we got it thru the CC vote, he would push it thru.
we got it passed 3 years in a row now.
2 years as a submission and this year on the ballot.
the public has indeed spoken.
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Location: Rhinelander, Wisconsin | It's very typical democracy in action. Showing up to vote is certain if one is highly motivated, but getting the average guy motivated takes PAC action, huge advertising budgets and many other forms of 'motivation' even for a Presidential Election.
It might be 'sad', but it's reality, and in this case, probably a good thing most don't vote. Folks generally don't like new regulation and change, so educating the masses as to why 'we' want both would be absolutely critical if 'we' expect to win the day; and that would be very difficult and VERY expensive if we were looking at 500,000 plus deer hunters voting who may or may not know anything about the Green Bay, Kentuck, Big Sand, or any other Muskie fishery...or for that matter care. Same goes for the vast majority of the folks who buy a fishing license here.
Assuming because someone fishes Muskies they will or for that matter should embrace 'our' conservation oriented desires and make them so is not a good idea, IMHO. Norm and Mike didn't get the 50" limit on Pelican by majority opinion, they simply did the due diligence to acquire the majority VOTE. Had more 'average' Muskie anglers showed up during any phase of the project, I seriously question if that venture would have been successful.
Getting the desired results from our somewhat strange fisheries and game management process takes some tact, and a bit of political savvy to get past what would almost certainly be a negative outcome by 'stacking the deck' with folks of like mind even if one needs to create a few through direct education and personal contact; it's really nothing more than a numbers game. The opposition turned out to be pretty well organized as well.
In this case, the Conservation Congress may be the only way a 54" limit would have been implemented on BOGB. I hope now it's been done several times it will go through.
'Getting out the Vote' means getting enough folks to vote one's 'way' to win. I'd like to see the winning margin a bit larger next time, but wouldn't want to have to address the 'masses'; much easier if you can clearly see and pretty much accurately estimate your opposition's numbers. |
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| i guess i fail to see why many musky people cant get out and vote.
many other sportsmans groups organized and ready,
bear hunters, bow hunters etc...
but we did win a majoriy and now goes to comittee.
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| The guy who was working the sign up line at Kaukauna Middle School in Outagamie County was TURNING AWAY people who were not from the county. I heard today of many people who did not vote because of this and went back home unhappy. Those folks were simply misinformed and I highly doubt they will show up next time.
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Location: Lake Tomahawk, WI | I've been to several of these hearings in the last number of years. Great concept, but very flawed. The DNR payes biologists to do thier jobs, obviously. So in the instance of the Pelican Lake 50" proposal, had certain groups been more mobilized, it can get shot down? After biologists figure it's 'necessary' to protect mid 40 inch fish in that lake after high harvest levels?
I talked with a DNR employee last week for awhile, and his concerns are like mine. They would like to have a late December muzzleloader hunt. Me too. So it is on the ballot and we'll see. Now the Snowmobile Lobby and the Tavern League Lobby has a lobbyist in Madison barking at the politicians . The lobbyist carries a lot more weight that these hearing results. Believe me. Case in point: 2 times in the last 5 years it has been voted to ban baiting for deer. Guess what? It's still legal to bait. Why was it even on the ballot?
Like I said, I go and vote, on principle, and that's about it.
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| I would not say that it's democracy in action because the results are not binding. We could have 100% voting one way that the state could still decide to go the other way. |
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Location: Rhinelander, Wisconsin | As an advisory vote, it is very much a democratic process. If the biologists were actually in charge, and were not put into the position the CC offers...THEN the process would be
Normal. |
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| Boy wouldn't that be nice if the biologists actually were able to run it for the good of the resouce instead of politicians running it? |
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Location: Rhinelander, Wisconsin | I worry more about the general public. In this case, a small, organized group(hopefully) got what they wanted even though the biologist said there was no justification for the proposed regulations and the new regs were rejected twice after interested parties asked for them, but he would support it if 'we' proved the public supported it by a yes vote at the hearings. Just because I am happy this time doesn't make the process the most sound out there, but we DO live in Wisconsin. |
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| Steve, well said! |
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