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| Do you think you might get more bang for your buck by just doing the guide at the tip? Seems like the line is just barely even touching the other guides, except when the rod is really loaded up. |
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Location: Chisholm, MN | I can't really say whether or not my fancy guides on my predator make a difference in casting distance or not. I don't believe it makes a hug difference. Sure my bucktail set up is the best I've ever had (Tranx/9'6" Predator), but I would say the major factor is a smooth real, and the ability of the rod to load up with the right bait. I would be willing to bet I wouldn't notice a difference with some cheaper guides...but who knows.
A side note. Jesse, you're pretty good with physics or or social studies or whatever we're talking about here, but I did prove you wrong one time about increasing spool size with more line = a faster retrieve  Remember that discussion? |
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| Yes you caught me in a time of weakness! |
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Location: Smith Creek | You definitely have a greater angle on the tip, so yeah, if you didn't want to drop the coin on a guide set the tip would be a good start. But each guide has quite a bit of pressure on it when the rod is working, which is when a lack of friction will be most useful.
If you look at newer or custom rods you'll notice that most are going with more and smaller guides. Doing so reduces line slap but increases surface area the line is running over. Increasing surface area increases friction. While it isn't a lot it is noticeable. Cast and retrieve a rod with stainless inserts instead of ceramic and you'll see what I mean.
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| Sounds like someone needs to get their middle school kid to do a science fair project on the amount of friction produced when burning double tens with 80lb and 100lb braid through Torzite, SiC, and Alconite guide sets!!! It would be interesting to be able to get an exact measure of the friction for each type of guide. |
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Location: Smith Creek | The folks from Fuji did a cool demonstration, they have several guides hanging there and they run some mono through each and saw back and forth with equal pressure till the line breaks. I think the line broke in the stainless after about 400 times back and forth, the SiC was like 1000 and the torzite was like 4000.
I didn't check to make sure all their stuff was calibrated perfectly but it's a cool demonstration nonetheless. I think they might have something on youtube about it. |
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Location: Land of the Musky | Flambeauski - 11/19/2015 2:46 PM
The folks from Fuji did a cool demonstration, they have several guides hanging there and they run some mono through each and saw back and forth with equal pressure till the line breaks. I think the line broke in the stainless after about 400 times back and forth, the SiC was like 1000 and the torzite was like 4000.
I didn't check to make sure all their stuff was calibrated perfectly but it's a cool demonstration nonetheless. I think they might have something on youtube about it.
Cool. I wonder what braid would result in and if braid would "win" for certain guide ring material and cut through it... |
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Location: Smith Creek | I've seen it "beat" Recoil guides. Not sure what exactly those are made of, some sort of alloy. |
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| I'm no scientist here. Just thought it was interesting on the Torzite demo. If you can past the "Alfred Hitchcock" voice of the narrator, it's worth the watch 
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=PSTFnDH2t6Y |
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