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Location: Northwest Chicago Burbs | Who is truly the best stick from MuskieFIRST?
Is it truly the reigning champion MNEsox who edged out The Rivermen in 2002?
Can Schuler pull an upset this year and knock off a big gun in 2003?
We shall see....
You've been waiting patiently for these rules for the 2003 Edition of MatchFISHING on MuskieFIRST....well here they are, going to do my best to explain everything here. If I do miss something, or there is a question, please ask it in the thread here. The team that has been working together to hash out the rules in the most fair manner possible has debated this new format for HOURS, many hours...we realize that the way this is going to be done may not be perfect, but we think it'll work well. Before I go into more details, I want to first thank TomyV, MNEsox, Jimmy_K and Luke_Chinewalker for doing as much of the rules ironing out as me, so blame is shared among all of us if this turns to POO....
Second...this is FOR FUN!!! Fun fun fun and maybe a whole lot of pride through bragging rights. Please try to look at the following rules and view them to the SPIRIT of the rule, not the LETTER. There will be loopholes and things that we may have overlooked, but please note those in a constructive fashion here. Entry is free, so money is not on the line, enter or do not enter based on your desire and ability to fish to the committments of entering. The prize will be an engraved plaque presented to winners, so cheating to attain this is just not, well you can finish the sentence. Read below, and remember this is meant for fun and more fun, and to talk alot of (good spirited) trash, and then have more fun trouncing your opponent!
1. 32 teams
2. 32 divided into 8 POOLS of 4
3. Pools to be determined by random number drawing (picking a 1 through 4 out of a hat) and each POOL will have a Team 1, Team 2, Team 3 and Team 4.
4. Pool play will be done during the months of June and July
5. Pool play will be:
Team 1 vs. Team 2
Team 3 vs. Team 4
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Team 1 vs. Team 3
Team 2 vs. Team 4
6. Pool play matches shall start June 1st, and will be completed by July 31st. The order in which these matches are played out is not important, just that each match is completed before July 31st.
Ex. Team 1 can face off versus Team 2 on Saturday June 7th, and then Team 1 can face off versus Team 3 the next day (the 8th of June) thusly fishing both of their alloted rounds long before July 31st. Or vice versa, the whole pool could conceivabley be fished in the last 2 days of July.
BUT, only one match can be fished by a team in any one day. IE. Team 1 CANNOT fish againt Teams 2 and 3 in the same day, only one day's results can count.
7. A MATCH will consist of: the 2 teams set to "face-off" for a set match will communicate via phone or email to determine a MUTUALLY AGREED UPON DATE to fish....this MATCH does NOT have to be played out on the same body of water, merely the same day.
EX.: Team Musky for Lunch is set to fish against The Rivermen for a match in July. The Rivermen are fishing the Ottawa River in Canada, Musky For Lunch will be fishing Lake XPQR...both will be fishing on Saturday July 26th. The results of each teams day are compared, and the winner will be determined using Muskies Inc's point system (to be explained later).
A TIE will occur when each team BLANKS on their day or does not catch a fish of 30" or better....or in the event that each team earns the same number of MI points in that days fishing.
8. After POOL PLAY is completed, one winner will advance from each POOL. The advancing team is decided by number of match wins during Pool Play, a tie in records will result in the team with the greatest number of accumulated MI points advancing.
Ex I. Team 1 is 2-0, Team 2 is 1-1, Team 3 is 0-2, Team 4 is 1-1: in this case Team 1 will advance with a 2-0 record to represent this pool in the single elimination tournament to follow.
Ex II. Team 1 is 0-0-2, Team 2 is 1-0-1, Team 3 is 0-1-1, Team 4 is 1-1-0, the Team with the greatest number of MI points between teams 2 and 4 will advance to the tournament rounds.
(ie. a tie is equal to a loss basically)
9. In the event that NOT A SINGLE FISH was caught within a pool in the months of June and July and all match fishing days are completed, the team that advances will be picked from a hat for the sake of fairness.
In the event that two or more teams earn the same record of wins/losses/ties AND the same MI point totals, the team that advances will be picked from a hat for the sake of fairness.
10. The 8 winners of the POOLS will advance to a 3 round single elimination tournament.
11. The tournament will be SEEDED according to MI Points earned during pool play. In the case of a TIE in MI Points, a coin will be flipped to determine the higher of the seeds.
12. 8 teams will face off in 4 matches (determined by seeding from MI points) in the month of August. The four teams that advance will then face off according to bracket progression in the month of September. The final two teams will advance to the Championship to be played out in the month of October. A MATCH will consist of: the 2 teams set to "face-off" for tournament match will communicate via phone or email to determine a MUTUALLY AGREED UPON DATE to fish....this MATCH does NOT have to be played out on the same body of water, merely the same day during the month alloted for that round.
EX.: Team Musky for Lunch is set to fish against The Rivermen for a match in August. The Rivermen are fishing the Ottawa River in Canada, Musky For Lunch will be fishing Lake XPQR...the mutually agreed upon day is Saturday August 30th, though they do not have to be on the same body of water, they both must fish on August 30th.
13. In the case of a tie in MI points, or a DOUBLE BLANK in the tournament rounds (August, Sept, October) the accumulated TOTAL MI points up to that round will determine the winner.
EX. I: a tie in August will go the team that earned more points in POOL PLAY
EX. II: a tie in Sept is won by the team that earned more points in POOL PLAY plus in the August round
EX. III: a tie in October is the team that earned more points in POOL PLAY plus in the August round plus the Sept round. OR if both teams decide, another round can be fished later in October, or possibly November. THIS will be judged by the full rules comittee in this case.
14. Either a day or two prior to the agreed upon MatchFISHING date, the participants will email myself or another rules committee member to request their HOUSEHOLD ITEM that must be brought into the boat and displayed along with a fish that is caught during the day of fishing. Each team will have its own ITEM which must be present in the picture as proof that this fish was caught on that day.
It is the responsibility of the teams to ask for their ITEM within this 2 day time period. Being that the dates of matches will be agreed upon by the Teams, with or without the knowledge of the organizers, they must contact myself or a rules committee member to recieve their assigned ITEM.
If a team does NOT ask for this item within 2 days of the days fishing, then no photographic proof is possible for a qualifying fish, and will result in forfeiture.
15. Photographic proof (either displayed on site, or emailed to an organizer) must be submitted within 5 days to verify results.
Results will be reported ASAP, within 3 days at the most.
16. A Team can be both partners fishing their match on the same day, or one member of that team fishing alone, or one member fishing with another person. The add-on or replacement fisher's points will count for that day. ONLY one day can constitute a day's results. EX. Partner A fishes day 1, Partner B fishes day 2...cannot add them, either day 1 or 2 matches with the opponent.
17. During POOL PLAY in the event that no mutually agreed upon date can be managed, a SUBSTITUTE TEAM shall be used.
The SUBSTITUTE TEAM shall be chosen from the teams that sign up after the first 32 teams sign up.
18. A team member may fish with a guide or PRO on their day...Guides and pros are welcome and encouraged to enter this event.
It's free to enter, and on any given day even the best sticks will blank, and even the most novice muskie fishers catch a fish on any given day.
19. 16 hours in one day are the most that a MatchFISHING day can last.
20. The rules of each person's water apply to the methods to catch a fish during that day.
21. The first day of signing up officially will be May 21st, with pool play starting June 1st.
22. The first 32 teams to sign up are IN the pool play, IF 48 teams are interested, the pools will go to 8 pools of 6, and then yes, we will have to change the matches accordingly IF this is the case.
23. Only two people can be in the boat during matchfishing, actually fishing that is.
*Ok, its 12:38 and I'm tired, and I am SURE that I missed things here, note problems in a nice fashion PLEASE, get your team together, and lets get ready to RRRRRRRUUUUUUMMMMMMBBBBBBBLLLLLLLEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!!!!!! And yes, we are going win, Team Musky for Lunch that is!!!!!!
Slamr
*sensitive questions please forward to me at [email protected]
Edited by Slamr 3/27/2003 10:15 AM
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| Leeet's get ready to ruuuummmmmbbbbbllllleeee!
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Location: Minneapolis, MN | I'd like to see the household item rule modified. I have a bass boat. I don't want to hear that I have to carry around a beach umbrella or a lawn chair for my photo. Lets make it something small please. Also, lets not make the item so whacky that it may ruin the picture of someone and personal best fish. |
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Location: Hartford, WI | Slamr, My head still hurts.
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| What if the teams are UNABLE to agree on the same date? Will they be allowed to fish on separate days? I seem to remember ALOT of issues with this last year.
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Location: Brainerd Area | YOU HAD ME AT HELLO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
happy hutning
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| My thoughts exactly Shady. You may have effectively removed some of the teams by requiring them to fish the same day. Also, which team will be replaced with the substitute team.
I still say adjust it so that you have a week or two week time period in which to fish.
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| Slamr,
Have you ever considered a career as a lawyer??? The only sentence you forgot to include was: Do not fold, spindle, or mutilate! Lining up a partner for this adventure, and will get my name in the hat ASAP!
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Location: Hartford, WI | Thick Shady and Theedz if you read the rules you have 2 months to match 2 days, if you cannot do that then you forfit. Im sorry, but we are giving you ample time and nothing will be perfect. No matter how many rules are at play here this is about as fair as you are going to get. But saying as Slamr is the head honcho on this I will let him make the final ruling on this, but I just cannot see anyone who cannot get this done in 2 months.
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Location: Northwest Chicago Burbs | Damn, Jimmy_K is about as flexible as a 2 X 4. But I do agree with him in the pool play, you have 2 months to coordinate 2 days. BUT, there is something else to consider, there are 3 teams in each pool, the schedule as it stands only has each team playing 2 of their pool participants, not 3....maybe in pool play we use the option to play the OTHER team you wouldnt play if that gets both teams on the water at the same time? Just a thought, and remember, the idea is to have fun, and to get as many people involved as possible, while trying to stick to the notion of MatchFISHING. We have some time to debate this, being that I want to have all rules firm before May 21st for the sign up. Lets put our heads together, and let's see what we come up with.
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Location: Hartford, WI | Slamr, I knew I would get you going. LOL. I guess out of all the views on this and only 2 people with the same question isnt too bad. Now my headache is feeling a lot better.
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Location: Iowa | Think I'll print this one out so I can study it! Thanks for the explanation though Slamr. I think 2 months should be ample time to get 2 days lined up. And if I can't, well then, that's just part of the game. Can't wait to get started. Now I will go read this book I just printed out. |
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| I found a loophole. |
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| Jim K,
Both teams would then forfeit? Why not just allow the team to say what day it will be fishing and the other team to state what day and best team wins? It's not like they will be fishing the same water anyways.
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| OK Jim. I work 3 weekends out of every month, that's both Saturday and Sunday. From now through September every weekend I do have off is scheduled with either family vacation or an already planned fishing trip. So, that leaves Monday through Friday for me to fish. So, are you gonna take days off work to fish the same days I can? I mean I am available so it's not my problem. That's my point. I can fish most any day during the weekday. You can't make a weekday match???? Does that mean you forfeit???
That's why I'm saying it doesn't make a hill of beans whether you fish the same day or not. We aren't fishing the same waters anyways. Maybe the weather will be an unfair advantage to someone?? Yeah, like the weather here in Wisconsin is gonna be the exact same as Capt. Richard is having over yonder.
I am not opposed to fishing the same day if it works out. Just saying it's going to be easier to fish if you don't have to fish the same day.
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Location: Hartford, WI | Scott, when slamr and I were working on this I believe we came to a conclusion of a grace period for people with tough schedules like you. I think if you email slamr he will be able to help you out here. Other wise I can see what I can do so that it is fair for everyone. The reason I was a little harsh in the last post was because I get sick of always having to rewrite rules to make everyone happy. But this is why we put them up now, so that we can adjust accordingly so that everyone gets a fair shake at this. So that being said, one thing that comes to mind, no matter how we made the rules, is that the first 2 months are pool play, after that its match fishing. If you have any other questions let me know.
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Location: West Bend, WI | I think to make it fair and better for all,there should be a one week time frame for the teams to fish in.Also you should have to state the date that you will be fishing and report within 24 hours of the start of your fishing. |
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| Sorry I got a little harsh there too. We'll work something out I'm sure.
OK Slammer, count me and Sluggo in.
Thanks for the replys.
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Location: Northwest Chicago Burbs | No other questions/comments about the rules????
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Location: Washington, PA | TTT |
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| OK, now I have 2 loopholes. At least.
The first was the fact you failed to state that the team must fish in the same boat, TOGETHER.
Then, you added recently, that partner 1 can fish on one day, and partner 2 can fish the next. You can't add their scores, but you certainly give them an advatage by effectively allowing them to fish a 48 hour period.
Just lookin' out for your backside, Slamr. 
Edited by Shep 4/4/2003 1:58 PM
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Location: Northwest Chicago Burbs | Thanks Shepper, good tracking those down!
To address those succinctly: yes, a team must be in the same boat, yes, a team has to be a team in the same boat on the same day. Cool?
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Location: Davenport, IA | When is sign up? I want to make sure I'm in. |
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Location: Iowa | Line 21. from Slamr's explanation and rules. The first day of signing up officially will be May 21, with pool play starting June 1. |
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Location: Illinois-Indiana | I think Plitzzz has something here.
Why not let the teams fish in the same week as long as they say what day they are going to fish and put up the results the next day.
I know I personaly lost the second round last year to MNEsox because I didn't even fish, couldn't get off on a weekend to fish.
Remember it's all for fun anyway!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:) |
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Location: Northwest Chicago Burbs | Just bringing this bad boy to the top....thinking about moving the sign up to maybe May 14th, so that we can be on top of scheduling a little earlier!
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Location: Washington, PA | Definately would be a good idea. |
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Location: Pewaukee, Wisconsin | How about working out a date when there is no big tournaments. I talked to one of the local guides that spoke at our muskies Inc meetings Tuesday and he said it is good from June through July. He also told me that Slamr was working on him for info and possible fishing. Keep working Slamr you need the help. Ouch-LOL. Is this date a lock? Can we work out a better date that is not conflicting with the WMT or the PMTT. |
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Location: Northwest Chicago Burbs | July 12th is the day, and if Todd Forcier was telling you that I was working him for info, all I can do is laugh laugh laugh....
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