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Location: SE Wisconsin | I'm interested in who on this board will be visiting this weekends WMT events. . .
Looks like the thunderstorms have been canceled for Saturday, but we're also looking at a cold drury day. . . Kind of bitter sweet. Sunday should be nice on Okauchee. Those cookie cutter 32's and 33's from last year are starting to make the cut, should make for an interesting turn out for fish number this year on Pewaukee - unlike last year 
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Location: Racine, Wi | Kevin Mahlberg and I will be there. Glad to hear the storms are out of the forecast. Fished a WMT in a storm with Kly a few years ago. Kinda freaky when it comes out of nowhere in the fog.
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Location: Oshkosh | Does anybody know how many boats are in this tourny?
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Location: Waterford & Boulder Junction | My partner, Nick & I will be fishing the Okauchee WMT.
Landy Roepke
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Location: Menomonee Falls, WI | Rory Tuff and I are in and looking forward to it. Always a really good turnout for this event. |
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| I am not looking to argue with any one on here in regards to the WMT I used to fish their events and I always thought they were run really well, but I have a real ethics problem with catching a muskie transporting it across the lake and letting it go. Does anyone else think this is unethical or bad for the muskies. I would just like to get some opinions I struggle with this question all the tme because there are some events I would like to fish but just cant bring my self to transport muskys |
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| I don't have a ton of experience fishing tournaments, but in my opinion, I cannot imagine it is healthy to transport a muskie across a lake to be registered. I have read numerous times to keep the fish in the water and limit it's time out of the water while taking measurements and pictures. Now, in this type of tournament, you are going to stuff this muskie in your livewell...bounce her across the lake...try and pull her back out of the livewell...and then take measurements before you release her. It doesn't look like an enjoyable ride for the muskie.
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| If this tournament trail had a catch photo release format it would be the best tournament trail out there in my opinion. I wish they would change their format, they would propably get a lot more contestants. |
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Location: SE Wisconsin | I do prefer the PMTT's verification process, however, the only musky that I know of that's suffered a death was in 2004 at Boom Lake and the 49 incher slammed a Suick and was killed by the metal fin puncturing through the back of its mouth. . . or so it was described to me. We spend 15 minutes making sure the fish swims away before we can get back out and further more, not to go into too much science behind it, a fish in a livewell doesn't get bashed around as much as you would think. I've personally sat and looked in on them as we've transported them to the ease out for measurement and the bouyancy within the livewell is extremely stable. . . IMHO. I don't want to stir the pot, believe me I appreciate this resource more than I could ever find words. . . Maybe that's why I write so much. However, if I seperate myself from being a tournament angler and see it as an outsider looking in, I can understand the concern, yet my experience has shown that it is less extreme than one would think. Tom is always great about taking suggestions and I know he takes them seriously.
There are a maximum of 75 boats allowed for one dayers, and 150 for 2 dayers.
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Location: SE Wisconsin | Abe, it's good to see you're on here. Take a look at your messages. |
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| I'd be fishing this thing for sure except I am up in Sturgeon Bay practicing for the big open bass tournament with my kid. I really enjoy the WMT and Pewaukee is my home water. I will tell you that last week's Pewaukee Musky Classic only registered three legals so you might have to fish hard to get on the board. Good Luck to all that fish. Marty Forman |
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Location: crivitz, wi | Sam Ubl - 5/13/2009 11:07 PM
I do prefer the PMTT's verification process, however, the only musky that I know of that's suffered a death was last year at Boom Lake and the 48 or 49 incher slammed a Suick and was killed by the metal fin puncturing through the back of its mouth. . . or so it was described to me. We spend 15 minutes making sure the fish swims away before we can get back out and further more, not to go into too much science behind it, a fish in a livewell doesn't get bashed around as much as you would think. I've personally sat and looked in on them as we've transported them to the ease out for measurement and the bouyancy within the livewell is extremely stable. . . IMHO. I don't want to stir the pot, believe me I appreciate this resource more than I could ever find words. . . Maybe that's why I write so much. However, if I seperate myself from being a tournament angler and see it as an outsider looking in, I can understand the concern, yet my experience has shown that it is less extreme than one would think. Tom is always great about taking suggestions and I know he takes them seriously.
There are a maximum of 75 boats allowed for one dayers, and 150 for 2 dayers.
I had the big fish at Boom last year it it was only 44.75 and released alive.
No fish died at Boom last year |
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Location: North/Central WI | If your livewell is big enough (and you don't drive like a complete maniac) it shouldn't harm the fish by transporting it. If your livewell isn't big enough you probably shouldn't be fishing the tournament in the first place. I think there has been 2 dead fish in WMT's that I have fished. I believe both fish swallowed Bulldawgs. Why don't we just ban all Bulldawgs in musky tournaments? That wouldn't be fair to Musky Innovations, so a ban on all soft plastics would probably be best.
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Location: SE Wisconsin | musky54114 - 5/14/2009 7:20 AM
Sam Ubl - 5/13/2009 11:07 PM
I do prefer the PMTT's verification process, however, the only musky that I know of that's suffered a death was last year at Boom Lake and the 48 or 49 incher slammed a Suick and was killed by the metal fin puncturing through the back of its mouth. . . or so it was described to me. We spend 15 minutes making sure the fish swims away before we can get back out and further more, not to go into too much science behind it, a fish in a livewell doesn't get bashed around as much as you would think. I've personally sat and looked in on them as we've transported them to the ease out for measurement and the bouyancy within the livewell is extremely stable. . . IMHO. I don't want to stir the pot, believe me I appreciate this resource more than I could ever find words. . . Maybe that's why I write so much. However, if I seperate myself from being a tournament angler and see it as an outsider looking in, I can understand the concern, yet my experience has shown that it is less extreme than one would think. Tom is always great about taking suggestions and I know he takes them seriously.
There are a maximum of 75 boats allowed for one dayers, and 150 for 2 dayers.
I had the big fish at Boom last year it it was only 44.75 and released alive.
No fish died at Boom last year
My apologies, that was a 49 incher in 2004, I'm not sure why I said "last year". . . must have been tired. Who's this, Dekker?
Edited by Sam Ubl 5/14/2009 8:26 AM
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| The succses that the WMT has had over the years doing the transport type regestration is awsome.
If you feel that the trasport is hard on the fish you should give Tom from the WMT a call he would be more than happy to talk with you about how well this has worked for the many years that he has been running the WMT.
Transport musky tournaments have been going on for a long time and they have not hurt any fisheries. As a matter of fact the fishing has only gotten better on the lakes that have them year after year. |
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Location: crivitz, wi | Sam Ubl - 5/14/2009 8:24 AM
musky54114 - 5/14/2009 7:20 AM
Sam Ubl - 5/13/2009 11:07 PM
I do prefer the PMTT's verification process, however, the only musky that I know of that's suffered a death was last year at Boom Lake and the 48 or 49 incher slammed a Suick and was killed by the metal fin puncturing through the back of its mouth. . . or so it was described to me. We spend 15 minutes making sure the fish swims away before we can get back out and further more, not to go into too much science behind it, a fish in a livewell doesn't get bashed around as much as you would think. I've personally sat and looked in on them as we've transported them to the ease out for measurement and the bouyancy within the livewell is extremely stable. . . IMHO. I don't want to stir the pot, believe me I appreciate this resource more than I could ever find words. . . Maybe that's why I write so much. However, if I seperate myself from being a tournament angler and see it as an outsider looking in, I can understand the concern, yet my experience has shown that it is less extreme than one would think. Tom is always great about taking suggestions and I know he takes them seriously.
There are a maximum of 75 boats allowed for one dayers, and 150 for 2 dayers.
I had the big fish at Boom last year it it was only 44.75 and released alive.
No fish died at Boom last year
My apologies, that was a 49 incher in 2004, I'm not sure why I said "last year". . . must have been tired. Who's this, Dekker?
It sure is Sam, see you on the tour! |
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| we don't and can't know an accurate amount of delayed mortality that results from catching and releasing muskies. we know that it happens, just not how much exactly.
i think it's fair to assume that any additional stressors, such as transport in a livewell, will add to the likelihood of delayed mortality - something that can take much longer than 15 minutes to be seen.
it would mitigate this possibility if events such as the Hodag and WMT that use transport formats would switch to judge boat like the PMTT or photo/immediate release like the MAC.
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Location: Lake Country, Wisconsin | I agree with Lambeau.
Just because something has been going on for a long time doesn't make it the best option, it really doesn't seem necessary in this day and age of bump boards and digital cameras.
I will also say that from an economic standpoint the tournament is probably losing customers with this philosophy. Even if I wanted to fish the tournament I can't because I don't have a big enough livewell, I imagine there are many others out there in the same position. |
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| Guest - 5/14/2009 11:02 AM
Transport musky tournaments have been going on for a long time and they have not hurt any fisheries. As a matter of fact the fishing has only gotten better on the lakes that have them year after year.
Solely because of transport tournaments? Interesting....no other factors involved that have improved these fisheries? |
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| It's not just because of the tournament????
I was simply stating that a body of water was not negativly impacted because of a tranport tournament. This is not worth the debate it has been beaten to death over the years.
One reason the WMT dose transport is the added cost of doing gudges and trying to get them lined up for as many tournaments that Tom runs it would be very costly and dificult.
As far as the bump and photo process sooner or later that will become the standard I would assume. |
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| One reason the WMT dose transport is the added cost of doing gudges and trying to get them lined up for as many tournaments that Tom runs it would be very costly and dificult.
As far as the bump and photo process sooner or later that will become the standard I would assume.
bump boards/photo IS the standard already, it's clearly the most fish-friendly.
imho, added cost is not a valid reason to risk increased delayed mortality.
of course, the logical end of this line of thought is that we shouldn't fish for them at all, or there shouldn't be tournaments at all, because that introduces the risk of delayed mortality.
obviously, we're all going to continue to fish for muskies and some of us are going to fish in tournaments. within that reality, we should be using techniques that most support successful release.
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| I would feel that the judge boat method is the standard.
The bump board is only being used in a few and will be used in the MAC. IMO it still has a ways to go in proving itself as the best way. I am not sold on the fact that people will not try to find a way work the system. At least with a judge you have some form of standards not the honor system. |
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Location: Elko - Lake Vermilion | I was interested in the wmt untill I learned that it was a transport event, sorry but it's just not for me.
I know others feel the same way, soooooo..... whats wrong with the judge boat or photo type format ? Hartmans always worked great, and the PMTT is also very good for the FISH.
I'm sorry but I won't run across a lake with a muskie in the livewell .
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| I am more interested in the question of what it does to move a musky miles away from it's home range not the stress of a livewell what about the fact that you are taking that fish away from the forage it is consuming and possibly letting it free in section of the lake that may be warmer or colder than where that musky was comfortable. Does this have a negative effect on the musky? |
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Location: Watertown, MN | Remember that single hook sucker rigs didn't kill muskies, they all swam away strong, but they all ended up dead. Until they do a study on transported fish survival rate, I would bet a $1 that their delayed mortality is higher than any other format, just because of the added stress to a fish.
Best format is the AIM co-angler with photo on board format. Non-Biased judge, and he is the judge of the angler to verify the release, eliminate all cheating. No boat rides for fish, to me that is like us taking a ride in ambulance it is not good.
Troyz
Just my observations from fishing both formats |
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| Personally I feel the judge boat tournamemnt is the way to go when money is involved. I am sure someone will figure out a good way to cheat the photo format system... I know the supporters of the photo format will get on here and say it can't be done. But it can and it will.
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Location: Pewaukee, Wisconsin | After todays tournament on Pewaukee in the big winds I would have to agree with the stress being way more than needed. Judge boats are the way to go. Tom should get on that but he is set on his way. Local Muskies Inc clubs would be happy to support judge boats I would bet. Getting the poeple to do judge boats is not the problem. Getting the same exact recorded lengths might be an issue. Tom likes to make sure the playing field is even. All the measurments come from the same place and people. Im sure that has something to do with his decisions.
I for one do not like transport tournaments. The fish get pulled out of one place, take a wild ride to who knows how far and then let go in a strange place.
Judge boats with people who care is the way to go. Pictures of the fish as it's on the board is enough proof for the sizes. One quick pic on the board and the next one as it's getting picked up to be released. No problem.
Not sure how many fish were caught today. One double and a few over 40 were caught. Fifth place was the last money spot that went to a 41-incher. I got a 36.25 very early and cold not get another over 34-inches. Thre ski's came into my boat but only the one was of legal size. Winds were brutal today.
Good luck to all tomarrow on Okauchee. I have to guide on Pewaukee in the morning then my grandmas 100th birthday party in the afternoon. No Okauchee for me. |
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