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Location: Germantown, WI | I've been on this site for 17 years and have bought and sold many items over that time frame on the buy/sell/trade thread. i've never been one to think my lures are worth a ton of $.. usually just sell to thin the herd a bit and get some reasonable amount of $ back to buy something else or the latest/greatest type of thing.
10 years ago i could list something and have 2-3 people want to purchase it within an hour.
Last year i sold about 12-15 different lots of baits and had to drastically reduce prices almost every time, to the point that the buyers made off like bandits. Again, i'm not upset, happy lures found a good home, was just surprised at the lack of activity or interested buyers in nice conditioned gear at good prices. There also just seems to be less items listed on buy/sell/trade board then i remember from years ago too....?
I've got a few more lots up right now and similar thing is happening...
It just got me thinking.... why is that? With prices of new lures on average about $22-25 each... how can i now only barely get $8-10 for a lure and some haven't even seen the water or thrown once or twice.
What is or has been changing with musky fisherman? Are they all getting older and not fishing as much? Are the younger guys not willing or don't have the disposable income for putting sizeable collections of lures together? does this site just not get frequented as much as it did in the past....? I'm really just curious what others might think......I'm 46 years old, so i'm probably kind of in the middle of the age group that fishes muskie....
again, maybe no one can answer... but just something i've been thinking about the last few years... maybe it starts an interesting conversation or maybe it doesn't...ha!
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Location: Lake Country, Wisconsin | Your observations are correct. It used to be much easier to sell baits, particularly but not limited to on here. The advancement of the Facebook musky groups and marketplace gets more attention but even those buyers look more for custom baits/colors versus standard baits.
If you aren’t selling a current hot bait, prepare to get back a lot less value than you once did
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Location: MN | Agree with Brian, I don't even bother going to the swaps anymore. Everyone is selling the same tired old mix of stuff that I'm trying to get rid of, and nobody offering anything really worthwhile for what I have so I wind up giving to newbies or friends |
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Location: The desert | It isn’t just musky baits, any of the local Facebook swap and shops has people wanting anything and everything for super cheap. People want Lamborghinis at Geo Metro prices.
Like propster I don’t bother with selling baits anymore. |
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| The swaps: Yep. Piles of the same lure (last year's hot new bait) on every table.
I can understand trying to offer someone $8 for an old beat up lure, but when it retails for $18.99 and it's still in the package? Come on... |
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Location: Phoenixville, PA | Has the market for baits changed or are we witnessing the effect of increasing amounts of traffic on Facebook groups? It may not be so much that the market has fallen but that the market, for the time being, has moved to other venues. |
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| I'm not a guy who buys anything online. If I can't touch it and look it over I don't buy, and thats not just fishing gear. I'm a old guy and have read about internet scams for years, while most guys selling are honest there is always the slime-ball on every site.
I guess I can do the swaps but honestly I just buy new if I like something. |
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Location: oswego, il | I see the same baits listed here sometimes as I do on some Facebook groups. Part of it is you mare selling a bait you no longer want and in turn nobody really wants. I wouldn't mind another rapala peto but not a blue one. If it's a hot boutique bait in demand, a blue one might sell.
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Location: The desert | fishdawg - 9/30/2019 6:21 PM
Has the market for baits changed or are we witnessing the effect of increasing amounts of traffic on Facebook groups? It may not be so much that the market has fallen but that the market, for the time being, has moved to other venues.
It’s worse there. As mentioned above, if you aren’t selling the latest craze you might as well be selling a burmek. |
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Location: Chisholm, MN | Everyone wants new stuff and they can afford it. Economy is good. |
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Location: MN | I don't usually have a problem unloading baits - mostly on Facebook but some on here too. The baits you are selling are fine and prices definitely fair - biggest problem is trying to force someone to buy lots consisting of different baits. Put everything in one thread, a price on each bait, and if you don't want to mess with singles, say 2 or 3 bait minimum. When you have lots, you really force the buyer to either resell the unwanted baits (PITA) or you need to find someone who's looking for all of those baits. It's just not worth buying a bunch of lures for one or two you want unless you get a really really good deal. |
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Location: Northern Illinois | I agree with KB about buying new unless it’s a style or brand I can’t find anymore. And I, like a lot of people, make my own bucktails so demand for used bucktails is probably low. I enjoy the swaps and generally move a lot of used baits there, but I never expect to get the $ value that I think the lure is worth. |
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Location: Rhinelander, Wisconsin | The economy is good. Next recession will adjust prices, as always, making used more valuable. |
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Location: Eastern Ontario | I've unload a lot of baits in the last 5 years many that came off raffle tables. I gave away 2 sets of 25 baits to a couple of young guys just starting out telling them if you keep them wet it's all you will ever need. You know how long that lasted.
I'm still catching fish on the same firetiger Suick and Rob Dey spinner bait that I was catching fish on 30 years ago. Replaced many times. So far this year I've used about 10 lures 4 for casting 6 for trolling. If it moves it's food.
Every time I look at used lures for sale I think what about it didn't you like enough to keep.
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| i prefer m1 instead of place like musky flea market .that place is a real joke ,guys are supposed to writes price but there is tons of guys that don't even follow the rules,so it turn into something like ebay,they just get the best offer. m flea m admins are pure junk they didn't do anything even when you report . m1 is simply the best because they got the best rules and admin are doing their job like it should. asked a price you would like to pay yourself and pics are needed . whit that you got the best place possible. i hope guys are gonna leave mfm to comeback here . or maybe m1 should do a facebook whit lures for sale ? |
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| It seems the high price pretty baits are what sells. I'm not sure if they are of younger years but some will pay a lot of money for a v
Lure that has a lot of hear say or has a really nice paint job. These same people sell them months later unused. It's a lot of hype. Reminds me of younger ladies and the gotta have that name brand purse. |
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Location: Ames, Iowa | I looked at your topwaters and I am looking for baits like this. My problem is that I no longer do PayPal, and a lot of guys only do PayPal. Had a PP problem not fixed to my satisfaction many years ago. I prefer to deal in a personal check, and I'm not in a rush to get baits or get paid. I also don't have the time or take the time to get on Muskie 1st like I used to. I also have enough baits that buying more does not make $$ sense. |
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| lots of good info here. Facebook has destroyed it here imo. They going like crazy especially when they raffling and you got shot at $250 custom bait for $10-20. Also like stated if its not a custom (baker, DK, heavy, tamer, etc) you hardly get a look and you are not getting anywhere near what you paid in most cases. Now you throw up one of the ones mention it wont take long to sell and you will get way more than what they cost retail. Custom market on some of these baits is out of control. PPL paying stupid money $400-1000 a bait just nuts. I have spend $300-500 on plenty of baits and I fish them unlike a lot of others but hard to justify. Ive got numerous DKs along with tamers and bunch of heavyweights and I fish all of them. I do have 13" DK that hasn't seen water only because you need special water for that bait IMO |
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Location: Madtown, WI | I was thinking the exact same thing the last time I tried to move some baits. It's funny too, because at one point I was buying new baits with no hesitation since I thought that if I didn't like the bait, I could get 75% of the money back selling here. I can just say for me personally, I have too many baits as it is and have really settled on a dozen or so baits and don't have an urge to get anymore.
As for selling on FB, the last time I sold baits I posted everything here and on FB simultaneously. Nothing got sold on FB and I moved half of the baits here. |
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| i can't speak for the noobs but i think they are sure that a 200$ lures almost come whit a 50 incher, i guess they could also think that they will be one of the rare to use such a pricey lure,so i guess they think fish will be easier to caught . it's that ridiculous that as soon as a guy can get a tons of money out of something barely nicer than a hockey stick the rest are starting do build jerkbait. fashion seems to change at each 3 years or so. down there in the water i think fashion don't exist. ive seen wtd ,gildebait,d10,cranks area all these lures can be easily match or beaten by 25 dollars lures. or maybe i could be wrong , i think some guys are buying lures as an investment ,like art collector ?
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| djwilliams - 10/2/2019 1:17 PM
I looked at your topwaters and I am looking for baits like this. My problem is that I no longer do PayPal, and a lot of guys only do PayPal. Had a PP problem not fixed to my satisfaction many years ago. I prefer to deal in a personal check, and I'm not in a rush to get baits or get paid. I also don't have the time or take the time to get on Muskie 1st like I used to. I also have enough baits that buying more does not make $$ sense.
ive shut down my paypal since months. and ive discover a cheapest way to pay for things and it'S a lot faster than check. you just have to pay via email transfer |
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| I was out with a member of the Headwaters chapter of MI this season and I was moaning about what to do with the excess. He told me guys give the lures to the chapter and they work with a seller at that humongous sale in St Germain every Monday who sells it all and divides the money with the chapter. That’s where I’m going with my extras from now on. Muskies Inc. and that chapter in particular is still the single best thing in the musky world for keeping this sport going and growing. Their Spring Classic is still my favorite event to fish. |
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| Does much in musky fishing make common sense ??
$2500- "God knows where next" side imaging Facebook friend relationship with a muskie sonar, when you could have went to Hawaii for that same money.
$12-$15 a sucker when my last ribeye steak was $10.99 a lb.
Rain suits that cost so much I feel like I should wear them to a wedding and my next job interview.only so it allows me to go out in miserable conditions.
All to catch a fish we don't eat!!
This is the goofy pursuit,Obsession IVE chosen,,investment return dosent enter into it.
If it didn't work,don't like it,no confidence then "get it outta here" swap it,sell it for half price,any price, I'm making money storing it???
When do used musky lures or anything still packaged but not fresh ever go up in price?
When somebody passes away??? |
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| When someone makes an unusual or innovative bait that actually does something the others don't, does what the others do but does it better, and that person stops making lures, maybe. I'd pay $50 for a 2001 HR Shaker in the right color, but I'd have to throw it first and see if it does what I want it to do.
There's a market for that sort of stuff, but the folks that HAVE those lures aren't just going to up and sell them.
I look at it this way: If I'm not going to throw it and I'm not collecting it for some stupid reason, it's worthless. I'd be better off with a couple bucks in my pocket. and maybe someone will go out and get their first 50 on it. At which point don't tell me because I'll probably want the stupid lure back after that, |
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Location: oswego, il | Just messaged a person on FB he had two lures I was interested in. 150 bucks. I can order two new ones for 60. |
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Location: Germantown, WI | That’s Crazy... |
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Location: Lake Country, Wisconsin | In some ways I can understand how people are moving away from the mainstays you can find in any tackle shop. I won’t name any brands (but I’m sure most here could name them), but the quality has taken a nosedive from what they once were in several companies. Or in some cases the competitors/copycats are offering a better product with better service. |
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