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| As long as there is a post asking what lures you gained confidence in this year, why not take it in the opposite direction?
What lures have you bought in the last 2 seasons that did not produce for you?
Mine would have to be Jakes and Bulldawgs. I gave them both a fair shake over the last two years and have yet to catch a legal on either of them.
How 'bout you?
Who's the weakest link in your box?
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| - burmek (no strike)
- bucher baby shallowraider (can't seem to tune it and no strikes)
- funky chicken spinnerbaits (not even a strike)
- bulldawg (strikes but I didn't feel it, never hooked a fish)
- crane baits (not even a strike)
- manta. I fished a lot with it but I didn't even get a follow from a pike. Maybe the shallow manta will do better because it sinks slower = longer pause |
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| -Bulldawgs, and I still keep buying them [:knockout:]
-Super Topraider, super stinkenator if you ask me
-Squirly Burts, do any of them track right?
I'm going to give them all one more year and if nothing I'm getting rid of them all. |
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| I am with Treats......
I am still trying to figure out the Squirelly Burtself..Looks like a killer lure... |
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| Bulldawgs
Supertopraiders
Shallow Raider(large) |
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| Treats, what size of dogs you tossin'? I can't seem to get a follow on the medium sized doggies, but the magnums are another story.
i threw more buzz baits (Boogerman, GrimReapers) than i ever have and i did nothing w/ them. I think i'll throwing them for another year....at least. I like all lures [:p] .
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| Dawgs finally came through this year. Largest muskie, northern, and walleye of the year on medium dawgs.
Fished with no results:
-Fuzzy Duzzit
-Super Topraider
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| I have yet to catch anything on the Dawgs, But I do well on the Live Actions. I don't know why? TR [:bigsmile:] |
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| I can't believe the amount of fisherman here who did not have luck on the Bull Dawgs? I used the medium glow and Magnum green gobblin as I like to call it and had fantastic action for the short amount of time I used them this year. Reason being is because I did alot of trolling this year being new to muskie fishing (2 years). Cover water and learn underwater structure with my depth finder. This taught me alot of good spots. Anyway, off topic. The Bull Dawg produced some good follows and a couple nice muskie and a huge pike. What you guys working them right? 2 to three foot pulls medium speed. Reel up the slack while keeping a taut line to feel for strikes. Do this and I am sure you will see some action.
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| Lures are tools...remember that!
Some anglers have situations that call for certain lures. Bait X may not rock for you...but Joe angler in the next state might have a Lake X that has a differnt forage base and that bait rocks.
Also certain lures really produce better at certain time so they year.
Something to keep in mind.[;)] |
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| ...This years non productive bais were the Manta ( really threw it alot but no action. 9" Grammas ( not a tap ), suicks also have not produced. If any one has any Bulldawgs they have lost confidence in I will trade ya.... have many baits for grabs |
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| The Manta has been the #1 disappointment for me! I threw this lure countless hours with not even a follow, then I put on the Undertaker and I had 2 fish in the first 10 minutes chasing it. I think the lure has good action but it almost seems to robotic in its motion. |
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| The Super Top Raider was the biggest disapointment for me, nothing on it at all. The other bait I threw a lot but no follows or takers was the Shallow Invader, the bait has awesome action but didn't do anything for me. |
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| There where a ton of stuff that I picked up last winter thatI thaught I would just "KILL" them on last season but didn't. Surface baits come to mind first.( I don't think it's the lure's fault, I had a bad topwater bite last year) I was really high on Musky Buster's stuff but never had a fish eat one. They sound great, look great so they will be back in my boat next year again.
I see a few guy's are down on Bulldawg's. This past year I became a believer! Stick with it and they will come.[:p] |
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| I had a few strikes on a shallow invader but that was when I hadn't modified it yet. So they weren't hooked at all. Scratches all over the plastic head but no hook-ups.
Bill, I know lots of guys who do well on the bulldawg, mostly when trolling the 9" one, but I only have pike bite the tail off! [:blackeye:] oh well, at least it's fun seeing your baits getting destroyed without even feeling a take! LOL! [:bigsmile:] I must have gone through 3 6" bulldawgs this season. |
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| I think J. Smith is right on the money. For me, the Bull Dawg is a big piece of rubber crap.... yet for the next guy it is the greatest invention ever. Obviously the lure is a proven winner... so the reason it is not producing for me is painfully obvious. OPERATOR ERROR (haha).
Seriously... look at the list of lures discussed so far. For one guy... the SUICK did not produce. Well.. obviously the suick is a great lure... it just may not be a fit for someone's personal style or maybe for the conditions they fish it is not the best tool for the job.
Just because one lure doesn't work for you, doesn't mean it won't work for the next guy. My "dud" lures from last year will be given another chance in 2003 before being hung on the "wall of shame" or traded away on the swap board.
jlong
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| There is no doubt that jlong and smith are correct in saying there are many lures that some love and others cannot move a thing on. I will not go so far as to say I'll keep trying them though. My luck with bulldawgs on the particular water I fish has been bad enough that it costs me fish at times. I have other lures for the same time period that I have ultra confidence in that I will use at that time. When I hit a new water(somewhere the dawgs might shine a bit more) I will try them some more. I have friends that do well on them, but on different waters/situations than I fish. I know alot of people(i have some partners) that feel they need to keep using a dud lure that someone else deemed as the next "catch all" till they catch something on it. I'll keep trying the new stuff and experimenting(as I mentioned in the confidence lures gained thread I started), but I won't beat a dead horse either. With that in mind, I will not trade any of my bulldawgs, as I'm sure at some point they will work for me somewhere, and I'll check back in!!!
Good luck in 03!! |
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| Reef Hawg,
Just to clarify. I won't beat a dead horse either. I don't even own a bull dawg anymore. As for Suicks.... I have caught hundreds of muskies on them... but no longer keep one in my tackle box. Same goes for the Bobbie Bait. Its not that the fish don't like them anymore... I've just moved on in my own personal style and expectation of a lure.
My only point was that one man's poison is another man's nectar. Just because a lure was a dud for me in 2002 doesn't mean it was the lure's fault or that the lure is no good. The bulldawg is a downright awesome lure... yet I can't toss it for more than 5 minutes without losing confidence... even if my partner is killing them right next to me on one. There is a difference between personal preference and an unproductive lure. Being able to recongnize that is important.
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| I have a topraider that I throw for a while evertime I get to go out but I have caught or had a follow on it yet. It's not the lures fault cause they catch for lots of people. I mainly throw cause I get a kick out the way it "plops" the water and looks like an evil creature coming at me.Someday Ia pig will got Pi##ed off enough to smack it, but until then I keep getting my kicks out of watching it.
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| Ok, first of all I will say that I'm not saying these lures are bad. I am saying they didnt' work for me. I am not giving up on them and will use them next year and maybe catch fish on them.
Lures that got time in the water without seeing a fish:
shallowraider
depthraider
crane 208
shallow invader
the big jointed wiley's
topraider
supertopraider
little ernie
jointed creeper
slammer thunderhead
pacemaker
Notice a topwater pattern? Very weird in my opinion i can't buy a fish on topwater |
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| Going back to what Jason mentioned that lures are tools and Bull dawgs, from the limited experience I have had with Bulldawgs it seems to me that they work best in lakes that contain Burbot or ellpout, Neither I or any one in my boat has raised a fish on these lures in lakes that did not contain these bait fish, however just the opposite is true on those lakes that do.
Just my personal observation
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| My biggest disappointment would have to be Storms new musky lure. I think it's called the Deep Thunder 15. I thought it would be great, but it has no action. Just dives very deep, and does not twitch. May call for a little modifications over the winter. |
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| Yep, MD and Long, exactly my point. The reason they didn't produce for me was that it was not the correct situation. I hope to use my Bulldawgs in Canada this next year as a friend really did well on them there last year. I'll try them for awhile, but might, like j said, throw them down after five minutes and slap on something else. As a side note, I have lures that fall in and out of favor and I believe it has something to do with me actually conditioning the fish in a certain body to the lure and color. For instance, I used to absolutely kill the muskies on the halloween Bootail on the river here(black and orange), to the point of over using it. After a couple years I actually conditioned the fish to them. I quit using them for awhile for a couple reasons, the main reason was they were not working as well, the second reason was that I evolved somewhat and started using lures that I could put my personal signature on a little easier. Last year I caught a few fish on the Bootail, but when they turned off of it, I knew to switch immediately and not waste any more time.
another side note, one of the Topraiders that Stan could not move a fish on, became a big fish bait for me this year, so as some mentioned, one mans garbage is another mans garbage that works. |
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| I didn't want to turn this into a lure bashing thread, and I don't think that anybody should become upset if their favorite lure is someone elses least favorite. I never bought a lure that I didn't think had fish catching abilities. Jakes, heard many great things about them, lots of success stories, bought a mess of them and even modified the lips on some of them and made it a point to throw them on every trip in areas that I thought would be good for a twitchbait presentation. My biggest fish so far on a Jake....a 18"er. (No Don, I didn't take a picture) I've caught fish twitching Slammers and Cranes, just haven't had one eat a Jake yet. Gonna quit throwing them? Hell no. They look good and twitch nicely, I'm sure one day they will get eaten.
Bulldawgs....last year at the Cass Lake PMTT event, some guys were catching good fish pulling dawgs through suspended baitfish. I didn't have any, but Travis Richardson was there with a bunch of them and he knew that I would be up for the following week so he layed a couple on me. I fished them every day after that, and never caught anything but pike. Lousy lure?.....no, just didn't produce for me but I won't quit throwing them. In fact I bought half a dozen when I got back home. Then again, I didn't find the suspended schools of baitfish that the PMTT boys were fishing, so it might have just been a locational thing.
One guys trash will always be another guys treasure.
Can't wait to get to the shows and buy some more stuff that I won't catch fish on this year[:bigsmile:]
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