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| Bob just finished my new addition, I figured if I could still see carpet I should add more deckbox ! I wanted to have roon for three anglers plus my self to stand and now they can. The new box features a lift out tray for my tools, plastics, leaders etc. Bob also wanted to try some adjustable dividers in a standup box to make sure they would stand the test...of me and time. The box also sports a new Stainless latch and a few other features. My old one (the original) is three years old and other than a little yellowing on the non-skid (easily replaced) is perfect. The adjustables should be a great addition and as you can see will hold anything we can throw.
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Location: Land of the Musky | Very cool setup! |
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| I still see carpet to the left. Nice setup though.
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Location: Columbus, Georgia | I have a question about Justencase boxes :
You guys that already have one; is it necessary to keep the lids open once the day is done and you get back to wherever it is you keep your boat/equipment? It would seem to me that the hooks would absolutely rust to no end when the baits are cooped up in those boxes ... and are wet.
I would appreciate some feedback on how you all avoid the rusted hooks, clumped maribou, and water-logged wooden baits.
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Location: minocqua, wi. | the he!! with the box, i wanna hear how much fun it is to stab the throttle on all 300 of those ponies?!! |
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Location: Hastings, mn, 55033 | Sled,
Probably a lot more fun than ponying up at the pump when watering those horses! |
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| Well:
Rusty baits are no issue at all as there are short rubber legs that keep it off the floor and vent holes in the bottom so air flows through the boxes.
The 300 moves out but in truth no more than anything else with a well matched outboard...it is a very full 21" boat after all.
Better on gas than you would think...depending on what you think. Actually seems more efficient at higher throttle speeds than through the midrange. It's a big platform that fishes well and everything works well together. Fishing three for muskies is no problem and if I want to throw a bit off the back and watch the timing of lures to the boat/the 8 it works pretty well.
A little carpet left but I have to put the net somewhere while I am driving home !
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Location: Columbus, Georgia | I see a few little vent holes around the outside of the box. What about all of the inner compartments?
I'm unconvinced ... in fact I find it quite unbelievable that the hooks on the baits in all of those inner compartments, and quite likely the outer ones would rust if the top is kept sealed and those vent holes are the sole way that the baits can dry.
Your explanation defies logic.
You see that's the problem with keeping baits locked up in any box. Yes; Justencase looks great, you can stand on it, you can see the baits easily, and surely there is a tremendous utility to having hundreds of baits at your disposal. But go back some years to the Bibs Box. That box was open on top, yet if you left the baits sitting in there the hooks would still rust.
Unless one hangs the baits when they get home ... they will rust. I am just waiting for one of the guys who shelled out hundreds of dollars on this nifty box to admit that their hooks are rusting and their maribou spinner baits get ruined if you let them slow-dry within the confines of a closed Justencase box, or any other box for that matter.
Stating that those little vent holes keep the hooks from rusting defies logic. A bait needs to dry quickly. It would take weeks for the inside of those boxes to dry with those little vent holes.
The box does have it's advantages. Baits drying quickly and without any damage is not likely one of them. Tackle boxes are a necessity, but any closed box takes a toll on baits.
Tell us you keep the lids up as soon as you get off the water. But stating that you keep those boxes closed up as soon as you get off the water ... and the hooks don't rust: that dog just won't hunt.
Enough of the hype. It's really annoying to see guys get mislead, especially when they are spending hundreds of dollars on a product.
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| Hype ? Misleading ? I have had one since 08 and have NO issues with rusty baits, There are vent holes in the bottom through out the box and the lid isn't sealed airtight...air circulates... it is the only box that I know of that doesn't actually seal tight...all the others I have had latch down or zip up tight...have zero vent holes and get zero air circulation. Perhaps instead of accusing me of misleading hype in my answer to your question actually talk to some guys that have one and are thrilled with it. I have at a bare minimum a dozen close friends who have seen mine and then bought Bob's boxes and are thrilled with them...and maybe that is why no one is on here "admiting" their box is substandard. If anything the baits will dry quicker than in a standard box...
Mislead/Hype ...please do your own research before you seek to smear me from behind your keyboard...I've done mine...in the boat |
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| Don't buy one then Rich. Simple as that. It is your choice, no need to tell a guy he's lying when you don't get the answer you desire. |
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| Bturg, just visited bob's shop today. I'm rigging up the new Pathfinder. I was struck by the sheer volume of ideas he had! We chatted for over an hour, and it became clear: he spends countless hours thinking, tinkering and improving his product and process. We are going to incorporate some of the new features into my box to make it work well both here and in the salt.
Cjrich, there aren't just a few air holes...there are tons, both in the floor and in the walls under the lids. Bait care is just part of the game. All storage systems have pros and cons. IMO this product has WAY more pros than cons. Each of the custom boxes is completely unique and built to customer specs. Bob is constantly making improvements and innovations. Stay tuned...If there is a rust problem folks will bring it up and Bob will make any necessary adjustments. He actually mentioned optional solar powered fans!
Hype? If hundreds of people buying a product, using it and recommending to others is hype; then I guess there has been some hype, but marketing has been minimal to the muskie community and virtually non-existent elsewhere.
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Location: Columbus, Georgia | Ben Olsen - 8/4/2011 11:33 PM
Stay tuned...If there is a rust problem folks will bring it up and Bob will make any necessary adjustments. He actually mentioned optional solar powered fans!
TOUCHE ...
If the manufacturer has offered the product with a solar powered fan, then he too is aware of the laws of physics. It's not about Bob or a substandard product. I never made any such claim. It's about moisture and rust.
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| "If there is a rust problem"...you see Bob is always thinking ahead. He hasn't seen the need to offer a fan...it's simply a "what if" he has talked about. I have thousand in dollars worth of baits in my boxes If I thought a fan was even worth testing I would have one...but you can't seem to grasp that the answer to your question is that there is no need.
You said:
Tell us you keep the lids up as soon as you get off the water. But stating that you keep those boxes closed up as soon as you get off the water ... and the hooks don't rust: that dog just won't hunt. "
I don't and the hooks don't rust...how clear to I have to be.
I may crack you up but you may also be laughing at the wrong guy....
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| I have never had issues with any of my hooks rusting when under the lid of my deck box. I think that I have the largest one that Bob has made so far and keep 350 plus baits in my box. I would not trust this box with thousands of dollars if I thought my baits were at risk for being damaged. Some baits have been in there for a year and a half. The boxes are well ventilated. The lids are not air tight, yet they overhang so water does not get in but air does.
I am under the impression that you think they are sealed which they are not.
I make marabou spinnerbaits and bucktails. They do hold water and take time to dry out. If I use them during the day they lay on my deck until they dry out. To help them dry quicker I have three fans in my garage that helps with circulation. These are the only baits that are kept out of my box to dry after use.
Bob was testing fans to keep the baits cool during extreme heat which we have seen this year in MN. He was not making them due to hooks rusting. I would not put a fan in my box to disperse the heat because it is not an issue. I could care less if my baits are warm just as long as they are not melting.
I havent heard of one report of rusty hooks. Fished through alot of rain yesterday and the only baits that got wet were the ones we were using. |
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Location: Beaver County, Pennsylvania | i have one.....not 1 issue with a rusty bait ever.....not the case with the lakewood i had stolen. ive said it once, i will say it again. bob makes the best box there is.
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Location: Rhinelander, Wisconsin | 'Tell us you keep the lids up as soon as you get off the water. But stating that you keep those boxes closed up as soon as you get off the water ... and the hooks don't rust: that dog just won't hunt.
Enough of the hype. It's really annoying to see guys get mislead, especially when they are spending hundreds of dollars on a product. '
It's annoying to me when someone harshly judges a product or person with absolutely no experience backing up the bash with the intent and probable result of damaging the product or person's reputation for folks who don't know what the facts are. Pretty rude, and in this case, seriously misinformed.
I have several Just Encase boxes. I don't ever open them unless I need a bait, then close it up again. No rust issues because of several design features. The vents in the bottom allow air to be drawn up through the box which circulates around the lures, both sitting still and under power. The warmer air in the box rises, pulling outside air into the box all day when it's sunny, and the air moving around in there even when cloudy seems to keep things right. The box is up off the floor, so air circulates nicely, and the top isn't gasketed...it doesn't have to be because of the breadbox fit between the box top and sides.
Some of the lures in the Just Encase image are several years old and have some light color from the Plano boxes I used to store them in. THOSE had to be opened before storage to dry, or rust would literally rot the hook in less than a season. Best thing is the hooks with a little color didn't rust any further in the box. Look at the Weagle for an example, that was stored in one of the fabric/plastic boxes and the hooks colored up a bit, transferred it to the Just Encase, and no further issues. The Suick is very old, and heavily used, again...no rust in the Just Encase.
The box performs exactly as advertised and exceeds my expectations in many ways, and my Just Encase rigs replace two big fabric/plastic boxes in which my hooks DID rust up; they now are holding down the floor in my garage.
The images shown are lures I haven't had out of the box in over a year, and this box sat outdoors in a mostly uncovered boat all season long in 2010, including under a cover in the winter. I brought it in this Spring when Fiberdome took that boat to make a pattern for the X170 T, and have been moving it around from one rig to another this year. My boats are not garaged, but I do cover them if I do not intend to use the boat for more than 2 days. That would trap moist air more than protect the lures in the case.
I'm going to have Bob build me a rear deck for our new X170 Tuffy.
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| I have never had problem at all with rust. My box has sat in my boat for two seasons. I leave it in the boat throughout the winter storage months as well.
I have never had any issues. I have a LOT of time invested in the lures that I make and use. I would be the first one to be peed off if the box did not meet my expectations. I am more than happy. You should know too- I have no affiliation to Bob at all. As a matter of fact, I wanted a box at the Chicago Muskie show the first year he was there. He asked me to wait and order one,so that he would have a box for display. I was pretty bummed that I could not buy one when I wanted. My friends ended up buying one for me at the Mn show,as a b day gift.
If the box sucked- you bet I would have said something. The box is THE best box I have owned. Well worth any wait. New boat on the way- you bet I will have something made.
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P.s. I like the fan idea- that is the only thing that I have had any issue with this summer. Soft epoxy during 100+ degree days.
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| I love how guys will spend 1,000 & 1,000 of dollars on baits, but yet they become cheap when buying muskie tackle boxes/storage. $500-1,200 dollars to protect 5,000- 10,000 dollars worth of baits is well worth it. I was having major issues with Bulldawgs and other baits using plano boxes and lakewoods boxes. So many of my baits were getting ruined including crank baits. I had Bob build me a front box. I loved the box so much and none of my baits got ruined. So i went all out and had Bob make me another full casting deck box for the back of my boat. I can't even imagine how i ever fished without my Just Encase boxes.
Not 1 of my baits has been ruined in 2-3 years, and not 1 rusty hook. Bob is nothing but a mastermind to work with. The guy works 20 hours a day, always thinking of new products and making his products even better. Bob doesn't sleep cause he's always thinking about how to make our lives "Muskie fisherman" easier. He stands by his product and has the best warranty in the business. Your baits might get warm but they will not be ruined, unlike using lakewoods and plano boxes that have no air movemnet.. Check out Lakewoods web site.. There Site says "lakewoods boxes are not to be used with bulldawgs" Lakewoods might as well give up on the muskie boxes, if you cant even put a pounder or bulldawg in their.
Before you start bashing a product, you might wanna do some research.. Just encase boxes are the sweetest thing since sliced bread.. Stop being a cheap ass and spend some extra money to protect your baits.. Don't spend the extra money and watch all your baits get ruined... It's all up to you. And if you'd like PM me and i will persoanlly give you my number and you can call me...
Another note.. Just encase is a 1 man shop. Bob isnt outsourcing anything he does. Every box that is made, was made by Bob himself, in his workshop. 100 % made in USA.. I bet plano and lakewoods cannot say that. If just encase boxes arn't simply the best, why are 2 other companies copying Bob's work.. Those 2 companies know who they are... |
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| i do not have a Just EnCase, the cost/benefit of a deck extension seemed too high for me compared to using Lakewood boxes. i've been thinking about side-tank extensions to use for extra-long rod storage though...hmmm...
rust can be an issue for me because the Lakewoods do seal tight and aren't vented. i took some of the spare blue compartment dividers out of a Zerust plano-style storage bin and dropped them in the bottom of the Lakewood. no more rust and i don't have to worry about opening the boxes every night. you could do the same thing with a Just EnCase (stick some of their adhesive tabs inside some of the compartments) if you were really worried about it...but it sounds from people who know that it's not an issue anyway. |
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Location: minocqua, wi. | not a full windshield type ... maybe someone take a picture of jeff breidenback in that center-console ranger with the 250hp outboard on big water!!!! now there's a fun boat to run! .... i believe she's equipped with just encase bling too. |
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| Had my box since 09 and ive always put plenty of wet baits back in the box and never had any issues with rust..
I guess my lures defy science..
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Location: minocqua, wi. | cjrich - 8/4/2011 10:59 PM
Ben Olsen - 8/4/2011 11:33 PM
Stay tuned...If there is a rust problem folks will bring it up and Bob will make any necessary adjustments. He actually mentioned optional solar powered fans!
TOUCHE ...
If the manufacturer has offered the product with a solar powered fan, then he too is aware of the laws of physics. It's not about Bob or a substandard product. I never made any such claim. It's about moisture and rust.
You guys crack me up!
moisture = the electolyte in the equation but you still need an anode and a cathode to make em travel. of-course as a physicist, i'm sure you already know this. polycarbonate sucks as a conduit. |
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Location: Elk River, MN | Mr. Worrall and others hit it on the head on this product!! |
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