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Location: United States | My hooking percentage on gliders is brutal. Counting last night I'm now 10 for 19 over the last couple years and of those missed, only 2 have been on for more than 1 or 2 seconds. After missing 2 more fish yesterday on gliders I'm questioning using them. Yes they have drawn the strikes, but would those fish also have hit a Jake or Suick which in theory should be easier for these moron fish to hit? Am I that bad or do you folks also have trouble hooking up on gliders? Note: after watching my brother's pet muskies attempt to eat goldfish in his tank it's a wonder these fish ever connect on a bait. Talk about spastic!!!!!
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Location: Pelican Lake/Three Lakes Chain | One thing you may want to incorporate into your retrieve to up your hooking percentage and your hit to follow percent is pauses. I have had decent luck throwing a couple of extended pauses into the retrieve, it acts as a trigger, and gives the fish an easy target to hit instead of all the bobbing and weaving. |
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Location: Black Creek, WI | Yah.. I think Norm's advice is awesome. Give the bait a pause and those fish will slam it head first.... usually increasing your hookups. If you are working it super fast (no pauses) the fish tend to come up from behind and slash... only getting a peice of the lure and your hookset is in the wrong direction. When they it the lure head-first... you are typically setting the hooks INTO the fish and the hooks hopefully have a better chance of find a home.
Although... I once thought the Jake was an awesome hooking lure. Last year I lost so many fish that absolutely crushed the lure... I almost abandoned that bait. Never did figure it out.... and I tried all kinds of hooks on 'em.
Good luck trying to pin up. When one shakes off.... keep your confidence and stay on those fish.
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| If that doesn't work, try modifying your gliders split ringing the hooks, using larger hooks, T-ing the hooks, adding custom weights, etc. I have modified all of my glide baits somehow. Modifications like these really up the hooking percentage. Phantoms and Slammer Drop Belly Gliders tend to hook pretty well. I have never had a problem with Jakes or Grandmas.
One thing to note, muskies have just been nipping at lures allot this year, so who knows?  |
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Location: Pelican Lake/Three Lakes Chain | Totally unrelated to the topic........Awesome avatar J. Show it with pride!!  |
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Location: United States | Thanks for the responses guys. How long do you pause the bait? I do pause but only for a second or maybe even less. 2 to 3 second pauses? |
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| I do Tap Tap Pause, Tap Tap Tap Pause Pause, and all sorts of combinations trying to find a cadence that works. The length of the pause plays into that, but usually 2 to 3 seconds I guess. |
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Location: Black Creek, WI | Heh heh... thanks for noticing Norm. You sure its not too bold??? Ahhh... who cares. Everyone already knows I have a huge ego... so I'm going with it for awhile.
As for the pause length... who knows??? I mix it up from 0.5 seconds to as long as 5 seconds. It also depends on the sink rate of the lure and the cover you are working. Obviously a slower sinking bait can be paused longer.
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| YUP, I agree totally about the pauses. I get most of my strikes on the pause.
Also, "T" those hooks. Get some barbs out there where they can get itno the fish instead of rubbing up against the body of the lure.
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Location: menasha wi 54952 | J,
I rather see your mug shot but your ego wont let it fit on the screen!!!! You da man 
Nobody has mentioned the rod being used with the glider.............just as important as the pause!!
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Location: United States | Can someone post a picture or explain hooks that have been T'd? |
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Location: Black Creek, WI | Mike, that is the glory of the digital age. You can re-size the images to fit. That's one way of dealing with my rampant ego... and getting my mug to fit in the Avatar.
T'd hooks are simple. You bend two of the hook points away from one another so that if you set the hook on the table the SHAFT would lay flat against the table top, two hook points would also be flat on the table, and the remaining hook point would be sticking straight up. Does that make sense?
Not sure if this will work....
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| For what its worth I switch all my Jake hooks to the Mustad round bend/wide gap 3/0 models and have had no problems with hookups using this as a casting bait. |
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Location: Minneapolis,Minnesota | You should just fish better....
Oh, and use a longer rod with a softer tip maybe. Loads up better on the hook set and the length and soft tip doesn't give them as much leverage during the fight.
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Location: minneapolis | PK- you're not gonna quit with your "Just Fish Better" advice since you kicked our butts with your multi-fish day during the shady trip are you How about we just call you "Phish Better" from now on ? Your success up there certainly showed that you did Phish Better than the rest of us hacks |
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| My god woman I think you're on to something....Phish better...hmmmmmm?
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Location: Rhinelander, Wisconsin | I do something a bit different. When the fish hits a glider, I give it a two count and hammer the steel home. I bettered my percentages by LOTS! |
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| sworall, so you dont really have to be in a big huury to set with a glider?when a fish comes up and grabbs,just basically real down and jerk. they dont figure it out and drop the bait? |
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Location: lansing, il | on my drop belly gliders i missed more fish than any other bait i own. my thoughts were that there was too much wood to grab, and the hooks were too small. since i upsized the hooks ive been 7 out of 8 fish boated. the only reason i lost the one was it hit way out and went airborn three times and finally shook the lure. the only problem with upsizing the hooks, is that on some baits it will affect the action of the lure, because of the weight difference, so you have to tinker with them a bit!! |
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Location: Ogden, Ut | Steve,
I'd like to think I could give it a two-count before the hook set, but sometimes that's the hardest thing in the world to do. Call me Mr. Panic, I guess. Obviously, I just need to phish better too
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Location: Minneapolis,Minnesota | Hehehehe.... |
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Location: Rhinelander, Wisconsin | It takes a bit of practice, but yes. Same as a surface bait, it takes a second for the fish to get the bait in it's yap, and with the superlines I feel it WAY earlier that I used to with mono. I noticed that my percentage fell hard using the superlines, and figured out I was setting before the fish 'had' the bait and began to turn. No, they don't drop it that fast, were talking under two seconds here. |
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Location: Waukesha & Land O Lakes, WI | I've learned that fish will take on the pause and having a tight line is a must. If the glider is so close to the surface that you see the fish roll on it...you have to do like you would with a topwater and feel the fish first before trying a hook slam. I also have fallen in love with thick short solid leaders. Leaders that bend to easily have'nt done me any justice. |
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Location: north central wisconsin | <p>Great advice on the pauses. Not only does the fish grab the lure better during them, but the pauses will get you more strikes period. Don't make them too long though. I used to make my pauses too long, especially during summer and fall(springtime fish seem to need it paused a bit longer than any other time for me). One thing that works very well for me on my floating or high riding jerkos and reef hawgs, is to give a longer pull every 6th or 7th tap or so(maybe three times during the retreive). This pull is usually about a foot or so in length and pulls the bait down deeper. Often times the reefhawgs or jerkos will 'work' their way to the top of the water colum during the retreive. Digging the lure in once in awhile will afford more strikes, and allow for better upward sets as well.</p><p /><p>Luck to you!</p> |
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