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Location: West Bend, WI | Don't know if you guys seen this.So here it is.
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Location: oswego, il | Wow, there is more lead in that bait than John Dillinger.  |
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| Yea they do have a bunch of lead but with the cedar HR is running it's necessary. I always wanted to buy a HR to see how they run but can't bring myself to spend 50 bucks on one of them! It always amazes me how crazy guys are for the HR baits on Ebay.
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Location: Stevens Point, WI | If anyone ever wants a bait x-ray I can do it for them, I could probably even CT it! |
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| I could have saved you the effort of X-raying a Hughes. This August I cast to far and smacked mine on a big rock! It must have landed belly down because when I reeled it in there was a lot of lead missing out of it's belly! Can you say OUCH!!!! |
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Location: Apollo, PA | I figured there was alot of work in them. They are expensive, but i will tell you this - there is no finer glide bait........ Atleast, the muskies that i run into really like them. Another fine bait is Joe Peterson's True glide hustler. Once again, not an inexpensive bait, but it glides a long way and is second to none in fit and finish.
I'd rather pay once, and get a great bait, than buy several baits that don't do a thing.
Sorry to preach on this one guys, i don't care for alot of things Jim Wilson does, but he is a master lure maker. Thanks again for the x-ray. interesting.....  |
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| Hey Pikiespawn,
As a lurebuilder I have always wondered "what makes them better"? Guys say they are good but what makes them good? Because they are made from cedar I would assume they have a good glide to them...is it as good as a Manta or Zig Zag? Maybe it's the roll you like, maybe they suspend well? Like I said above I would buy one myself to see but they are so doggone spendy it's hard for me to justify. Thanks!
Jed
www.bikinibaitcompany.com
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Location: West Bend, WI | A great glider must have good belly roll! |
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| I can't believe that they aren't thru the body wire constructed..... |
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Location: Apollo, PA | What makes them better is that they trigger muskies that are neutral or just plain negative more than any glider i have. Anything, well almost anything will get hit when fish are on the feed.... but that isn't it. It's when times are tough, and fishin's slow, and strikes are few and far between. They work. Cedar is my preference cause it doesn't suck water and blow paint away. HR's glide, roll and some shake, then they suspend enticing lunge to eat them head first. And of course they do. What I also appreciate about them is that they are consistant from bait to bait. I have seen some that don't work, but not nearly as many as some other jerkbaits. I am not on the Wilson payroll, i have never met him, but the #*^@ things trigger muskies and drive them nuts. For the record, i also am very impressed with Mark Smiths "Smuttly Dogs" and Joe Peterson's "Trueglide Hustler"
In my opinion, what makes a bait great, is the attention it consistantly gets from the muskie, nothing else - hope that makes sense - its the true bottomline PS |
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| That makes alot of sense PikieSpawn, thanks!
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| Hughes River Gliders are expensive, but they are also great...Awesome action and awesome custom color patterns! I wish I could afford some more, and some Wishmasters for that matter! |
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| Let's see, we're looking at 12 pieces of lead in what appears to be a Shaker. I don't know where the x-ray came from, but in the last six months I have stipped 5 Shakers and 3 Hugheys down to bare wood to repaint them for people. Most were older and had yellowing or flaking of the top coat. ALL but 2 of the the lures that I stripped had lead in just 2 places, the others had lead in 3. One was a '03 model that I got in a trade that I hated the color, so I repainted it. Seems odd that I didn't find 12 pieces of lead in any of them.
Now, before you start griping and accusing me of bad mouthing them.....I have 68 Hughes Rivers. No other glide bait as good as them.
12 pieces of lead in them for weighting? I haven't seen it.
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| I have this same photo on my home pc and the bait used to collect the image. I find it very interesting that Beav is saying that he hasn't seen HR Baits weighted in this manner as everything I have ever read from other builders tearing them down has been consistent with the xray. Like most builders HR probably just changed how he builds the things as time went on...just a guess. In order to get enough weight into the bait considering they are using one of the most buoyant woods of all they must be using some seriously large (diameter) holes in those baits huh Beav?
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| Yes, much larger hole in the nose of the lure, and about the same size in the back.
One had a hole that could have held more than an ounce of lead just forward of the balance point on one.
I had those baits down to bare wood. Every one of them. If there would have been 12 holes, I would have been able to see them. I'll be stripping a few and repainting them this winter, I'll make sure and examine them very closely to see what weights are where.
Like I said, I've got a rather substantial collection of HR's, so I'm not saying anything bad about them. I can't say anything bad about lures that cosistently put fish in my boat.
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Location: ft wayne, IN | Yes, world class bait w/ a comparable price! Jim is constantly changing his baits, even within the same year, so no doubt there are numerous "versions" of the same style bait out there. I noticed this during my HR buying extravaganza last year. Five things do hold true for each and every HR I've owned: 1) Suberb craftmanship that stands up to the test of time (for wood) 2) Every #*^@ one of them moves well through the water w/ subtle nuiances bait to bait that make them "special" 3) Incredibly inventive, vibrant, and often lifelike paint jobs 4) They freakin' catch fish 5) $$$$$$$$. This is one bait each and every serious musky dude should own. Just don't be the fool that buys it on e-bay. Try Pastikas (most reasonable prices out there), Thorne Bros, or Reeces Country Store (most expensive but very best selection--hundreds in stock--personally I'd wheel & deal w/ Roger on some of his older models lying around and repaint if you don't like them). |
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| Hey Beav,
You know I read my post again and apologize if I made it sound as if you were being less than straight forward about the HR Baits, that certainly was not my intention. What I was trying to say is he probably changed the method in which he is weighting his baits. In past months I have experimented at great length with the way the weight is set up in the xray and it does indeed work quite well, particularly with cedar. Note that there is one weight in the center that is longer than the rest, this acts as a pivot point for the bait. The rest of the weights front and rear are added for additional balast. I haven't ever seen a HR Bait myself but from what you and others have told me they are certainly one of the "best".
RM :D
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| A very interesting x-ray. I have to agree with Beav on the subject matter of weights though. I have re-painted a number of HR's for my customers, and the most weights that I can ever remember seeing is three. From what Jeff K. has written though, it sounds like they change design criteria quite a bit, which might explain the additional weights. I agree that they are very nice baits, but a little too pricy for me. |
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Location: Waukesha & Land O Lakes, WI | Is it possible that this pic is of a 10" Shaker? |
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| As a fellow bait maker myself, I can concur that designs are always changing. I'm always making little mods to baits to make them better. I too don't own an HR, just too darn hard for me to get one, but I would imagine that is what is happening. I've made numerous prototypes of the same bait each with different weighting schemes to see what the action and behaviour would be like. Perhaps this could be the case here? |
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Location: Contrarian Island | Geezuz Beav that is over 2 g's in Hughes...you must realllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllly like them!
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| No, I bought lots of them when they were less than $40.
I do have a few that I paid more for, but many of those are limited editions.
I was yakking with Riverman, and I told him what every lurebuilder knows. I've used many blanks for kindling after experimenting with different weighting combos. We're always tinkering and tweaking lures trying to get something just the way we want it. Lord knows that I've driven the fish in my daughters aquarium crazy while I've gone through the weighting process. I'm working on some 10"ers now, and every one needs weight in a different place in order to get the perfectly level, slow fall, or hover on the pause.
One more reason that I'll never bitch about the cost of a lure, especialy when it does what I want it to. It takes a lot of work to go from a chunk of wood to a lifelike thing that a big fish will eat.
Except bucktails....I can still do them in 10 minutes.
Beav
Edited by Beaver 10/19/2004 12:04 PM
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Location: Racine, Wi | That looks like an x-ray of my teeth. heh heh heh
all 12 of them.
Edited by tuffy1 10/19/2004 12:09 PM
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