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Location: Kentucky | Ok, so we've definitely found a feeding window when the Sun rises and sets. When the moon rises and sets. But check this out. I was lookin threw my catch data and came upon an interesting fact. It seems that a feeding window occurs when the Sun is in transit. The transit time of the Sun refers to the instant that its center crosses an imaginary line in the sky - its meridian - running from north to south. It seems that it happened alot more in times of stable weather. ie high pressure for afew days and tough conditions. Also it seems to happen alot more in cold or cool water conditions. Very interesting.... However as with all the other times, local weather over rules it all. Any thoughts?  |
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| Yes, I've found I catch more fish on the days of the week that end in Y, than any other time of the week. My catch data proves this to be true. |
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| firstsixfeet - 3/2/2011 3:57 PM
Yes, I've found I catch more fish on the days of the week that end in Y, than any other time of the week. My catch data proves this to be true.
at least you've found one pattern after 36 years of chasing muskies. believe me, there are always some fish on the deep weed edge too! |
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Location: Grand Forks ND | I think that's what people refer to when they talk about "majors" and "minors". Majors being sunrise/sunset and moonrise/moonset. Minors would be when the moon and/or sun is halfway through it's path across the sky (both overhead when it's light and also when it is halfway through it's "dark" cycle). Anyone? |
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Location: Kentucky | LoL Maybe its just the solar flares then.... FSF, I'm tryin 2 keep our hard water brothers up north occupied until their water is ice free!!  |
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| RiverMusky - 3/3/2011 2:45 AM
LoL Maybe its just the solar flares then.... FSF, I'm tryin 2 keep our hard water brothers up north occupied until their water is ice free!! :)
It's no good, they keep comin down here anyway. I would guess the Ohio Navy is poised for the invasion of Cave Run Lake. |
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| MuskyManiac09 - 3/2/2011 4:14 PM
I think that's what people refer to when they talk about "majors" and "minors". Majors being sunrise/sunset and moonrise/moonset. Minors would be when the moon and/or sun is halfway through it's path across the sky (both overhead when it's light and also when it is halfway through it's "dark" cycle). Anyone?
No thats not correct... Majors and minors refer to feeding times listed in the Alden knight sulunar tables.. Can get the book at Thornes for around $10
As far as I can see, they do not coorelate with Moon/sun overhead/underfoot... sunrise/sunset, moonrise, moonset.etc.........
Typicaly theres a AM, and PM major, and an AM and PM minor each day....
Sunrise and set, moonrise and set are feeding window, but not considered the major..
There are many feeding times charts available.. Buchers in MHM I think just lists the hour before the moon rises, the hour after the moon sets alot.. (seems to prefer the moon down...) It doesnt apperar to follow the Alden knight book though, I'm not pretending to know how it works... Thsi is just what I think I've noticed.. so I'll jsut keep buying the book each year..
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Location: Contrarian Island | at some point one could look at all the different charts and determine fishing is suppose be be fantastic 24 hrs a day...imo one is better served to watch the moon set/rise, sunrise/set and the moon overhead and underfoot...those are imo the best times and then watch for patterns of daily feeding windows as I have seen countless times when the weather is stable and you get action/hits at a particular timeframe 1 day it carries into the next...I've never watched Alden Knights times and doubt I will as if it isn't broke, don't fix it....
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Location: Grand Rapids, MI | RiverMusky - 3/2/2011 2:39 PM Ok, so we've definitely found a feeding window when the Sun rises and sets. When the moon rises and sets. But check this out. I was lookin threw my catch data and came upon an interesting fact. It seems that a feeding window occurs when the Sun is in transit. The transit time of the Sun refers to the instant that its center crosses an imaginary line in the sky - its meridian - running from north to south. It seems that it happened alot more in times of stable weather. ie high pressure for afew days and tough conditions. Also it seems to happen alot more in cold or cool water conditions. Very interesting.... However as with all the other times, local weather over rules it all. Any thoughts? There seems to be some confusion on majors and minors among muskie anglers because Bucher muddied the water with his tables. Most tables that show major and minor are basically tide charts. This is completely releated to the moon overhead and underfoot as the major. This one has all of the factors listed - http://www.solunarforecast.com/solunarcalendar.aspx
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| Still dont know if I agree with "This is completely releated to the moon overhead and underfoot as the major."
Alden Knights book has different times than the site you listed..
listed site for today march 3 ................................. Alden Knight
Major Times
11:11 AM - 1:11 PM ................................. 9:40 AM
11:31 PM - 1:31 AM ....................................10:05 PM
Minor Times
5:35 AM - 6:35 AM ........................................3:40 AM
4:54 PM - 5:54 PM .......................................3:50 PM
Then tomorrow that site doesnt have 2 majors listed... Only this one.
Major Times
11:52 AM - 1:52 PM .............. Alden books says 10:20 AM, 10:40 PM
Then this Sunday, the site list 2 majors, but the book has only 1..
Some of the times are 1 1/2 hours off some are an hour off some are close to 2 hours different between the different sources..
Who knows... ..
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Location: Kentucky | Sweet! I like it! So instead of them calling it moon transit times, they or we are calling it moon overhead and moon underfoot. So basically what im seeing is a feeding window is when the sun is overhead and possibly underfoot.... Wish i had wrote down some notes when me, gregg thomas and jerry wilson went 2 millelacs acouple yrs ago. We fished 6days straight and all of it was at night. Very very obvious feeding windows. Most were moon rise, set, but we always had another window when the moon was just goin threw the motions. Sun Underfoot????? |
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Location: Grand Rapids, MI | Jason Bomber - 3/3/2011 11:14 AM Still dont know if I agree with "This is completely releated to the moon overhead and underfoot as the major." Alden Knights book has different times than the site you listed.. That site is based on Knights theory, they shouldn't be different. This is the theory behind Knights majors and minors: Tides had long been known as an important factor in saltwater fishing success and the connection with moon phase was well understood. Knight then supposed that the relationship of the sun and moon, rather than actual tidal stages might be the determining factor. As his research continued, he determined that in addition to the time of moon up - moon down there were intermediate periods of fishing activity that occurred midway between the two major periods. So he coined the phrases 'major periods' and 'minor periods' to describe them respectively. Knight used this information to publish the first Solunar Tables in 1936. |
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| Don't you have to adjust the times based on your location? That would explain the difference. |
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Location: Eastern Ontario | I find the best fishing is in damp places when I'm awake
But the days ending in Y has merit and should be looked into.
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| esoxaddict - 3/3/2011 1:53 PM
Don't you have to adjust the times based on your location? That would explain the difference.
If they were all off by the same amount of time maybe..
But each one is off a different amount.
1 hr 31 min am major
1 hr 26 min pm major
1 hr 55 min am minor
1 hr 4 min pm minor
Don't think I care enough to spend any more time trying to figue out the how or why they're different.. |
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Location: Eastern Ontario | I fish when I can .......I'm not going to stay home because the stars arn't aligned......but is it possible that one gives the start of a period and other is centered on the period?
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Location: WI | horsehunter - 3/3/2011 5:58 PM
I find the best fishing is in damp places when I'm awake
But the days ending in Y has merit and should be looked into.
I noticed I catch a lot more when my line is wet. |
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Location: Kentucky | This threads still goin!?!?! WoW! lol Im still thinkin the solar flares and libya bombings are creating feeding windows also..... |
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Location: SE Wisconsin | I suppose this could be viewed as a $0.02er, but for the average musky hunter, fishing when time permits tends to be the best time to get on the water. While I do bear in mind the majors/minors, they are only worthwhile to me when they occur while I'm on the water.. I don't always have the luxury of setting my fishing schedule based on sulunar phases, but I will admit that the new moon is uncommon enough I try to find time on the water to meet it. |
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| I bought the alden knight book last year but even with the time adjustments they didn't match the website, so I gave up and stuck with the site. I try pay attention to it, but especially if the day is tough and I'm ready to call it. Usually hspot or two during that moon phase just to make sure. It will pay off from time to time.
nwick - 3/8/2011 6:09 PM
I noticed I catch a lot more when my line is wet.
Genius!
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Location: deephaven mn | I"ve fished many majors, moon rise, moon set, sunrise, and sunset and I've even fished when sunrise and moon set are within minutes of each other and have had zero action. But then again I have experienced enough catches coinciding with these times that I am always awair. So thanks for adding sun overhead as well.
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