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Location: martinsburg wv | should i use stiff wire for jerk baits and gliders or fluorcarbon i like to use hellhounds tbone bobbie crane |
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Location: Madison WI | Stiff wire will give you much better action in your gliders and jerk baits, fluro will work with these baits but there true action just won't shine as well as if your using stiff wire leaders. |
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Location: martinsburg wv | what length works best |
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Location: Madison WI | Generally I have been told that you never want to use a leader that is shorter then the bait you are throwing. I know which leaders to use for what baits but I can't say with 100% certainty the exact length of leader you want to use as I don't throw the above mentioned baits very much. |
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| disagree 100% on stiff wire giving jerkbaits and gliders better/more action..i have been using 180 lb fluoro for years on all my jerks/gliders and the action is not hampered one bit....
I use about a 10" leader, with no bb swivel at the line end and a solid ring then split ring to the bait...works great.... |
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| If anything the suppleness and flexibility of the fluoro leaders will allow for greater movement... which has been my experience. 10-12" for gliders should work. |
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| i am 100% whit muskyhunter on that one
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Location: Musky Tackle Online, MN | I have used very few baits where I have seen any big noticeable difference in the bait's action between fluoro or wire. As with most things it comes down to personal preference, in my opinion. Just make sure whatever you use, they have good quality components. This is more important than anything. For fluoro, I personally use nothing but Stealth leaders and their standard casting leaders (130#+) will work great for the baits mentioned.
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Location: Land of the Musky | I used the straight wire for some time but found the Stealth 130lb to be a better "fit" for me and my fishing. For me it was hard to go with a flouro leader but after 6 days in Canada with about 30 good pike up to 46" on one leader I was good to go! I use the flouro on all the lures I throw. Flouro leaders are good IMO and I do not see much difference between wire adn flouro myself. With that said I am also not a 16+ hour/week fishing nut  |
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| Do you guys think a 12inch 130lb flurocarbon leader would work for glider like mantas and WTD topwaters like jackpots? |
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Location: VA | I've used a 130lb Fluorocarbon leader for all bait styles and found it to perform just fine LURE ACTION wise, but it was a terrible choice in leader material period. Very 1st hit I took with a brand new 130# fluoro leader the musky nearly bit the leader in 1/2, my $30 topwater was barely hanging there when retrieved. The same thing happened about 3 months later, a musky just tore the fluoro leader to shreads with one hit. Since then, I shy away from fluorocarbon leaders entirely. They may be fine to use in some situations, but I'll never own another.
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| Stealth leaders rock. Love em! As for gliders and jerkbaits, hate em, so I don't need a certain leader because I will not throw them. |
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Location: Madison WI | muskyinsane - 11/29/2008 6:40 PM
Do you guys think a 12inch 130lb flurocarbon leader would work for glider like mantas and WTD topwaters like jackpots?
I have used all 3 types of leaders for mantas and WTD topwaters and in my opinion straight wire out performs fluro and wire strand leaders like no other, using fluro will work but I find that because of the flexibility of fluro that the action of say a jackpot is you don't get as wide of walks as you would with a straight wire leader. Only problem with straight wire leaders is normally after a musky crushes your bait that the leader is pretty much useless unless you happen to own a wire straightener. |
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Location: Ft. Wayne, Indiana | Stealth Tackle 130lb. Fluoro Leader, every cast and bait the last 2 years.
Personally I think that glide baits and topwaters perform the same if not better with a fluoro leader. |
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| Thanks for the tips guys, my main concern is that If I use 130 fluro for glider and WTD topwaters is that a musky will bite through it like nothing, have you guys ever had problems with this happening.... I don't think the 130lb fluro leaders I have are stealth but they are a pretty good brand. |
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Location: Madison WI | muskyinsane - 11/30/2008 10:59 AM
Thanks for the tips guys, my main concern is that If I use 130 fluro for glider and WTD topwaters is that a musky will bite through it like nothing, have you guys ever had problems with this happening.... I don't think the 130lb fluro leaders I have are stealth but they are a pretty good brand.
I have never had any problems with muskies biting through my fluro leaders, by using 130# it becomes nearly bite proof, but obviously if the leader gets caught in the gill plate or in the fishes mouth a specific way its going to break. I have had muskies inhale my bait so much that there is 3-6 inches of leader in there mouth and I have never had any breakoffs. I would just always check your leaders and make sure there aren't any nicks, if there are switch it out. |
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Location: Land of the Musky | muskyinsane-Here is a Mag SuperD using a 130lb Stealth leader. It is hard to see the the 46" pike but he took the entire lure down head first so the leader was rubbing on teeth the entire time during the fight. I had a hard time finding any scratches and not one dent or cut in the leader. Same leader I have used for about 18 months now. I have never retired a leader like a lure, maybe this one deserves its place on the shelf
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| I use the same 10-11" 180 lb fluoro for WTD topwaters and gliders/jerks...
the action on the baits is just as good as straight wire leader.... I use to use straight wire and have gone to all fluoro the last 3 or 4 yrs with over 200 fish that seemed to think the action with the fluoro was enticing enough to hit... ; ) |
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Location: Madison WI | I know that fluro on WTD topwaters work, I have never said they didn't but in my personal experience the "walk" is much smoother and wider with straight leaders. Obviously fluro works otherwise I wouldn't have caught this fish;
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Location: syracuse indiana | hey guys. i know that this is a tough question, but rule of thumb, florocarbon is good for like bucktails, spinnerbait and blade topwaters and also crankbaits. rubber, either floro or seven strand should be used for these lures, it gives more action on cranks too. but hardwire should be used on jerks and gliders only the reason why is that wire wont bend and grab the back hook if you work it hard or a fish pushes the bait when striking it causing it to hook the leader and then gives the fish leverage on you. but i tye my own leaders floro,sevenstrand , hardwire up to 16 inches mostly and they all have their place and floro will work for gliders, just my 2 cents.....bill
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| archerynut....180 lb rarely if ever gets hooked on the baits ....use what you have confidence in..there is not right or wrong with what you like or use...but to say fluoro dulls the action, well that is just plain incorrect imo.
i can swing my gliders and wtd topwaters as far as anyone with a straight wire leader...that i am sure of...
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