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Location: North Metro | Gman and I have been messing around with pouring plastics for the LunkerBaits. We have used a soft plastisol that doesn't seem to hold up real well. Was curious if anyone here has much experience with pouring plastic and what would you recommend that will stand up to decent abuse? Formula X? Anything else? Looking for an answer! Thanks! |
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Location: North Metro | Also, what if any are the hazzards in melting and pouring plastisol? I know this sounds like a dumb question, but it does say on the bottle that the material is non-toxic and everything I have ever learned about melting plastic has never sounded very good. Is this material safe? And if not, what safety equipment do I need? |
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Location: Minnesota | Re: safety. A lot of this work is not melting plastic but, getting the formula up to its reaction temp which is not that high. You are not "buring" the material thus not releasing volitiles that woudl be harmful. I would still do this in a well ventilated area. Me, I would pour this in my garage on a big table with a small fan blowing over me and towards teh door...just in case. Read the MSDS and follow the protective instructions and you should be fine. They always go overboard on those. |
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| NO KiDdiNg
I hAve BeEn poURinG LeAd iN My BASEment For yEarS wiTh NO siDE AffeCts? |
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Location: Minnesota | Fishboy-Use mercury to weight those lures down. You don't have to heat it up! lol |
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Location: Rhinelander, Wisconsin | Plastisol additives to stiffen/harden up the mix are available. |
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Location: Hyvinkää, Finland, Europe | Have you tried one component concrete lacque?
I use it for my own lures by dipping those to it 6-10 times.
-> http://www.obblers.com
There is pic's of my lures. |
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| jio they are talking about soft baits ! stop inhaling your concrete lacque  |
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Location: Hyvinkää, Finland, Europe | mb79 - 7/21/2007 7:41 PM
jio they are talking about soft baits ! stop inhaling your concrete lacque ;-)
-Sorry, my english is not perfect.. I understood wrong what the question was.
Sorry folks!
Edited by Jio 7/22/2007 7:49 AM
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Location: Eden Prairie & Pine Island | Here's the problem: we came up with a great and unique bait that is part hard bait (cedar) and part rubber (tail section). The action of the bait makes the tail section constantly waggle back and forth, however, at the point of the tail where it bends back and forth the constant and violent action stresses the plastisol too much, and it breaks down after casting or trolling awhile and breaks off there. I know there must be other plastics that would stand up to this action, but I don't know where to get them. (I think if we put the hardener additive in the plastisol, it will stiffen the tail section and greatly diminish the tail action.) There must be something with a little more strength than ordinary plastisol. Help! |
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| Are we talking the Lunker Bait Co. Badonkadonk? |
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Location: Grand Rapids, MI | I'll bet if you could get some type of fiber into the plastisol during the pouring process you could achieve the strength desired. The fiber would limit the stretch which is probably what is creating the weak link.
I'm just spitballing here... |
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Location: Eden Prairie & Pine Island | Thanks for the idea, Will, and yes, this bait (if we get the tail perfected) will likely be called something relative to the action as it "shakes its money maker." |
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Location: Grand Rapids, MI | No problem. After thinking about it I believe that Storm uses something in their plastisol to give it strength. I'll check when I get home later. |
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| Try adding a liquid latex to the plastisol,I think a few bass bait companys do this. |
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| Storm's Kick'n Minnow has a clear mesh in the middle of it for strength. I know this for a fact because my three and five year old decided that daddies bait would be fun to play tug-o-war with.
It held up really well.............................for a little while.
Oh by the way you can heat them up and put them back together. They don't fix as well as the Bull-Dog's but they are ok.
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| Anyone try adding a piece of fiberglass drywall tape into the plastic to strengthen the lure?/ |
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| Will, don't some of mikes grub chubs have a tougher plastic? Does he know what they put in the formula to make them tougher? I know the ones that I used were varying, with some soft and some tougher, so maybe they used different formulas.
Fishboy, when you put a severed tail back on a kickin minnow, use a butter knife and seal that triangular portion in solid on both sides. Then use an exacto knife up the bait a ways to make a new slit on both sides. That way you still have that jointed kick. |
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Location: London, England | I tried to make bulldawg copies years ago with fibreglass tape in the tail to stop it tearing. Trouble was it doesn't stretch at all and the tails actually ended up being weaker than they would be without the reinforcement!! |
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Location: Grand Rapids, MI | Toad - 7/28/2007 4:51 PM
Will, don't some of mikes grub chubs have a tougher plastic? Does he know what they put in the formula to make them tougher?
Toad - There's a additive for plastisol, I believe, that can make it harder. It'sbasically plastisol viagra (sorry bad joke).
The trick after looking at a Storm Kickin minnow would be to use short lengths of the chosen fiber so some of the stretch is still there. |
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Location: Nebraska | GMan - 7/24/2007 10:54 AM
Here's the problem: we came up with a great and unique bait that is part hard bait (cedar) and part rubber (tail section). The action of the bait makes the tail section constantly waggle back and forth, however, at the point of the tail where it bends back and forth the constant and violent action stresses the plastisol too much, and it breaks down after casting or trolling awhile and breaks off there. I know there must be other plastics that would stand up to this action, but I don't know where to get them. (I think if we put the hardener additive in the plastisol, it will stiffen the tail section and greatly diminish the tail action.) There must be something with a little more strength than ordinary plastisol. Help!
Gary, I have a 50 lb bag of that material we discussed the other day when I stopped by coming my way. I'll get you some when it arrives. Probably will be a couple of weeks before it get it. |
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