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| I took first place at a home tourney here in Ohio with some new SuperD's from TackleBooty. The mag size (8oz.) in LOTW perch hooked me both a 42 and a 44 and was still 100% fishable. Great lures, great price. Just thought I'd spread the word! I've had $25 mag bulldawgs trashed after one fish.
Here's some pics from this weekend.
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| Whats with using the Boga Grip on that Muskie... man... sorry, but I hate seeing these beautiful fish miss handled like that! |
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Location: NYC (and many weeks in MN during summer) | wow, kinda agree on the boga grip. Why not try the lindy glove instead. Much better for the fish......
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| How about teaching instead of bashing? What good does it do to treat someone new to the board like that. If he ever comes back it would be a miracle. That is the elitist, you don't know what the heck you are doing attitude that doesn't make any sense to me.
Dude, sweet fish. I think the reason they are saying things about the boga grip is the stress that it can put on a fish's spine. When you lift a fish in a vertical hold that is often associated with these kind of release tools, it can affect the fish. To me it looks like you are supporting the fish, though, so even I am at a loss as to what the problem is!
Edited by muskydeceiver 6/25/2008 9:33 PM
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| There is no issue with a boga...but newbie opinions are a bit annoying for sure....Congrats on the fish and win...thanks for the heads up on the lures....Ben
Edited by BenR 6/25/2008 10:15 PM
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Location: Rhinelander, Wisconsin | Nice fish! Looks like the SuperD continues to catch lots of muskies...and the Boga on a lower jaw is noty a problem, IMHO. Thanks for the images and report! |
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| Great catch, MuskiesFearMe! Looking forward to trying out a few Super D's on our annual trip to LOTW. And for what it's worth, I think your handling was excellent. Great job of evenly distributing the fish's weight.
Edited by esox50 6/26/2008 12:00 AM
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Location: Minneapolis | Two nice fish in a tourney - congrats!
Don't worry about the boga comments. I suspect they come from people who haven't used them. You've got the fish well supported with your other hand, which you probably did when you picked it up out of the water. All of that equals good fish-handling.
The boga helps control the fish while it's in the water, which makes unhooking easier and faster. |
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Location: Land of the Musky | Nice fish!!! Good to hear that the SuperDs helped you out. Always the fisherman who is in charge but still good to hear you used my tools and you took first place  Happy to also hear the SuperDs are still fishing for you!
Thanks again,
James
Owner, http://www.gruntmuskielures.com
PS-IMO the fish holds are fine. If the tools you use help keep control of the fish and/or get it released faster then by all means we should use those tools. Some like other tools like the gloves while others like the boga and other release tools. Some of the worst handling of a fish I have ever done (early years) was when I had no tools at all to help. Good job again on the 1st place!!! |
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| bogas are a great tool for releasing ski's. fish stays in the water the whole time while taking the hooks out. the big advantage is there's no net to remove slime or scratch the fishes eyes during release/handling (scratching the eyes is a major concern, as told to me by a senior fish management expert). if the fish thrashes, let go and it'll spin with the swiveling handle; the grip stays locked but the lanyard around the wrist keeps you connected. fished with a buddy who guides in vilas 2 weeks ago and we used it on 2 fish. he was amazed how fast, easy, and safe it was, and said he was going to get one now. I DO NOT vertical hang the fish from it! use the boga as if it were one of your hands, with the other supporting the fishes weight for pics. not using it for weighing a fish, that's what floating rules are for. don't knock it until you try it- use it properly and you might think otherwise. not a promo or anything for me to gain, just passing on experience... thanks, steve |
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| I agree that the boga when used properly is better for both you and the fish. I have one, and even though I don't use it all the time, there are situations in which I will use it. When a fish has the lure hooked somewhat deep is a good example of when I will use one. Speeds up the process of unhooking the fish and getting the fish released quicker with no harm to the fish. |
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Location: Ohio | Jim,
Welcome to the site( I'm Muskyman on OGF)! I feel anything to help you and the fish is not only beneficial, but probably advisible. I use a Boga from time to time and if the proper hold is used, it shouldn't be a problem. |
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| great catch. I've only cast a 5oz Super D a few times and noticed a crack in the head of the lure. I don't recall ever hitting anything. So, I've been wondering how they hold up.
The video showing how the Super D took the slaming onto the drive way concrete convinced me I had to try one. I'm glad to hear you report not only your good fortune, but how the lure stood up. That makes me fell better about the Super D.
It's good to know the Super D's hold up after catching a couple of nice muskies.......way to go.
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| i didnt see any bashing, just an opinion shared. the boga puts all the wieght on that lower jaw and with a larger fish, it can dislocate the jaw no problem. save your $ and use your hand. |
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| somebody should start a thread on Boga,s.I,ve never used one. |
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Location: NYC (and many weeks in MN during summer) | I sure hope no one was reffering to my initial comment as bashing. I have experience with a boga grip, and can say confidentally that with a good head shake, the metal can tear through the soft tissue of the fishes mouth quite easily. In fact, its done intentionally to many salt water fish that are being kept.
My comments were very even handed, and I suggested using a lindy glove instead. I may be new to this board, but I have been fishing for 35 years! I think most people who have/use boga grips have them from different fishing applications and then assume they are proper handling tools for Muskie. I suppose most walleye guys have them in their boats and figure to crossover and that they are safe for these fish too. I disagree with this, but have not been disagreeable.
As far as removing hooks, I ALWAYS leave the fish in the net/water. The mortality release rate is unknown, but is expected by experts to be higher than we know. If the hooks are deep, I use a spreader and long hookout. If the hook looks too tough, I cut em fast. No need to have the fish out of water, EVER, for more than 20 or 30 seconds, and that includes pictures too.
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Location: NYC (and many weeks in MN during summer) | And on further review of the picture....
By the way he is holding the fish with an outstretched right hand, unless he immediately brought the fish to his body and cradled the fish to reposition his hand, I'd bet anything he hung that fish vertically from the boga grip.....
Just how I see it.
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| I see several ways that fish could have been picked up and I don't see anything at all wrong with the hold, the image, or the story. The Boga Grip as used in this image isn't at all a problem. All release methods and tools can be misused; in this case nothing I see is indicates anything but a clean and successful release.
I know some folks who occasionally mishandle fish because they do not have the hand strength to hold a muskie by hand. In those cases, a Boga properly used as this one appears to be is a positive. The trick is to not hold the fish's weight vertically with any tool or hand hold for that matter, and to take care to use the Boga exactly where this gentleman did, not in the softer side areas of the fish's mouth.
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Location: deep in the slop | I totally agree with the use of a boga! for your average fisherman it is a great tool to ensure a proper release. if someone did a vertical hold on a fish how would the bogas be any worse than someone with their hands under both gill plates? personally i always support my fish at about a 45 degree angle from parallel with the water. i think the main issue is not supporting the fish properly, i.e. shaping it like a horseshoe. obviously this is not good. if you are holding a fish and it flops and you drop it, thats not good. is it worse to have the fish hanging from the boga for a second or two as opposed to slamming on the floor of the boat? |
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| "I'd bet anything he hung that fish vertically from the boga grip"
Wow there is nothing wrong with the above statement at all!!
Were you there? Did you see him do it??
Come on guys there is nothing wrong with anything in that picture or with the story.
Congratulate the guy and move on! |
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