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Location: Lake Elmo, MN | I thought that wing nuts were a strict "no-no" for modern marine batteries. But the 3 Die Hard Platinums I bought today had ONLY wing nuts supplied with them.
What's up with this ? Are they telling me that I paid over 300 bucks for a battery and I have to supply my own attachment screws ?? C'MON MAN !!!
The batteries were manufactured in April of this year, so they are not old or outdated. I assume the no-wingnut thing is still valid....correct ?
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| Im starting season #9 with my motor battery. It has wing nuts. cant believe this bat is still good but it is. |
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| Never heard the no wing nut thing. I've always used the supplied wing nuts. I used pliers to tighten them. |
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Location: Oconomowc, WI | I've heard the no wing nut thing, but I've had wing nuts on both my batteries for years
without any issues. |
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Location: Lake Elmo, MN | Per the ABYC (American Boating and Yacht Council)
E-10.8.3: Battery cables and other conductions size 6AWG and larger shall not be connected to the battery with wing nuts. |
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Location: 31 | Shep - 6/3/2015 9:43 AM
I used pliers to tighten them.
x2... guess you can either put the wing nuts on with pliers, or go buy some SS Nyloc nuts. I always use a SS washer on top of the wires to keep them from getting tweaked from tightening. |
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Location: MN | I'm pro wing nut. My batteries didn't come with them so i bought them. |
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| PSAGuy - 6/3/2015 12:57 PM
Per the ABYC (American Boating and Yacht Council)
E-10.8.3: Battery cables and other conductions size 6AWG and larger shall not be connected to the battery with wing nuts.
OK, if you have 6 or larger, then go without wingnuts, if it makes you feel better.
I think you are over thinking a lot of this. Just my opinion.
ABYC is only a guideline. It is not the law. I don't know of anyone else that has ever referenced it before. |
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Location: Hayward, WI | Mercury sends stickers with the new Optimax and Verado motors stating that they don't want any wingnuts used. |
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Location: Mauston, Wisconsin | kjgmh - 6/4/2015 2:55 PM
Mercury sends stickers with the new Optimax and Verado motors stating that they don't want any wingnuts used.
LOL - BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAaaaaaa! Do they have inspector's coming around to enforce this rule? All you anti-wing nut nut's go buy a torque wrench and have at it! I'm on the Shep's side - common sense, is uncommon, especially when it comes to batteries and boats. Just make sure you use stainless steel hardware! I have my pliers handy. Yes, Shep, the handles are insulated.....
Have fun!
Al |
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Location: Lake Country, Wisconsin | Don't worry about the wing but. Besides what was posted, I think there were also concerns of the "wing" breaking off the nut and making the process of taking it off a bit more challenging. You will find many stories of guys still using them with zero issues |
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| ESOX Maniac - 6/5/2015 7:30 AM
kjgmh - 6/4/2015 2:55 PM
Mercury sends stickers with the new Optimax and Verado motors stating that they don't want any wingnuts used.
LOL - BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAaaaaaa! Do they have inspector's coming around to enforce this rule? All you anti-wing nut nut's go buy a torque wrench and have at it! I'm on the Shep's side - common sense, is uncommon, especially when it comes to batteries and boats. Just make sure you use stainless steel hardware! I have my pliers handy. Yes, Shep, the handles are insulated.....
Have fun!
Al
Insulated handles lead to a false sense of safety! LOL! |
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Location: Mauston, Wisconsin | Shep - 6/5/2015 7:53 AM
ESOX Maniac - 6/5/2015 7:30 AM
kjgmh - 6/4/2015 2:55 PM
Mercury sends stickers with the new Optimax and Verado motors stating that they don't want any wingnuts used.
LOL - BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAaaaaaa! Do they have inspector's coming around to enforce this rule? All you anti-wing nut nut's go buy a torque wrench and have at it! I'm on the Shep's side - common sense, is uncommon, especially when it comes to batteries and boats. Just make sure you use stainless steel hardware! I have my pliers handy. Yes, Shep, the handles are insulated.....
Have fun!
Al
Insulated handles lead to a false sense of safety! LOL!
True! However, as we both know, viewing a lead-acid battery as a benign plastic box of lead and electrolyte leads to a false sense of safety for the average person -> this thing can't hurt me! |
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Location: Hayward, WI | Wing nuts are fine for most people and motors if they are tightened more than finger tight. Issue is with new computerized motors and loose connections. Motors that require a computer and various modules to communicate are highly voltage dependent and loose connections at the battery can cause lots of issues. |
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| How often to you actually disconnect your batteries? Most never if maybe rarely, then why not put a good nut on there. On older motors ya, why not who cares, doesn't start then reach back to your battery and snug the wing nut again. but for me running these newer computer controlled motors why risk it? Last place I want to be is stuck out in the middle of a lake somewhere due to a 10cent wing nut. I ask myself where to draw the line on all this miniscule stuff but a battery nut has never been one. |
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| Just bought a cheapo trolling motor bat at the farm. Has nuts, no wings. |
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| Wing nuts on my trolling motor batteries. Lock nuts on my starting battery. Had wing nuts on the starting battery and had them tightened down but they loosened up in time. Marine mechanic advised me to run lock nuts on that battery citing the consistent voltage issue. |
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| Around here, wing nut means a whole 'nother thang.
(If you're going to use a wing nut, lock washers are a must.)
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Location: 31 | I've used hand tightened wing nuts in the past, and noticed a problem with them coming loose. I switched to Nylock's, but then REALLY didn't like swinging the ratchet around by a bunch of batteries either, so I went back to the wing nuts with pliers deal.
I haven't had any issues with them coming loose when tightened properly with with a pair of pliers. However, part of my normal due diligence is to check them a few times during the year too... just a quick check by hand while looking things over.
It's certainly not rocket science, but can understand why first-timers would be a little nervous dealing with this stuff as well. That poor kid... I'm guessing he will be emotionally scarred for life. |
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