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| I am trying to convince Jlong that at times rattles do actually make a
difference. My problem is I am strictly a caster and it is hard to do a side by side comparison, because you usually don't catch enough fish in a day to really determine the influence of rattles. Plus with casting, location is a much bigger factor in the presentation. The right cast placed in the right spot
might produce regardless of rattles or not. There is no real way to know what caused the strike.
Trolling is different you can run the exact same bait behind the boat at the same distance and depth, one with rattles and one without and determine if one is out producing the other with other variables equal.
Have any of you trollers noticed a situation where rattles made the difference with all else equal?
Have any of you casters run into situations where you are sure rattles made the difference?
Has anyone seen a noticeable effect where rattles made the difference, positive or negative with any species of fish.
Sorry for the multiple post on multiple boards, but I wanted to get as many responses as possible.
Thanks
Nail a Pig!
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| not to destroy your hopes, but I didn't even get one single lousy take on a rattling lure this year on 17 trolling trips! |
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| Rattles not matter? I disagree, no matter what science says. I have a firetiger super rattle trap and it has just a little wobble, but its sound you can hear when you cast it all the way out under water. Between me and my partner it has accounted for half our fish this year. |
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| Mike,
I have found that rattles do help sometime when trolling. But it depends on the days of course. I always start out with four baits, two with and two without rattles. Trial and error is the best approach. This summer I did well on rattling DR's off my down rigger.
Dont get hung up on using baits without rattles, because in my opinion they do work and have proven to me to make and break a day.[;)] |
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| A.U., I have heard of both Ralph Manns and Doug Hannon and would love to read more of there stuff. If I could find it.
Divani & Schuler, I would be curious to know what type of water you mostly fish, is it heavily pressured and what is the water clarity?
Jason, just trying to put more pieces of the puzzle together. I don’t worry to much about what I am going to use when I am on the water. I usually start with what worked the last time out. But, if there are situations out there where rattles will hurt me more then help me I would like to be able to key into to them, before trial and error. With limited time it helps to get a head start someplace.
So far what I have gotten is that on pressured waters rattles may actually be a detriment, but in the dark and on dark less pressured waters they probably will help. If that’s all I come away with after these post it was well worth it.
Because as much as I wanted to prove to Jason that rattles do have there place, I want to be able to find that place myself.
Thanks for the replies.
Nail a Pig!
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| Mike,I am not an expert by any means,but here it goes!Fishing dark/pressured waters alot are catch ratio has increased with NON-RATTLING baits 2/1!I think because we tend to move these baits in a slower fashion for the dark/dirty/pressured water and at times of a need for speed we go to a rattler.One point I`d like to add is rattling baits at night in clear trout waters has proven its self time and time again!Years ago when I started ski fishing I always did the opposite but after experimenting thats what has been trip`in there triggers!I learn something new everytime out,thats the COOL part! Jeff |
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| One thing that I think you guys are missing is that with internal rattles or not. All hard baits rattle when the hooks bang on the sides and bottom of the lure. This is especially true of tight wiggle cranks and any jerk bait.
The internal rattles may be of a different sound or vibe but I know of no completly silent lure. Even a jig makes some sound as it hits bottom. Just my two cents worth. I know in the Bass world rattles can make a big difference at times, so why not with other preditors? Just one more piece to the never ending Musky puzzle.
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| Mike:
I have done extensive research on this. My sample size is around 800-900 fish or so that have been caught trolling. The weather has varied from hot to cold, cloudy to clear, and calm to windy. The watercolor has varied from very stained to quite clear, and with water temperatures from quite warm to nearly freezing.
Approximately ¾’s of the time I use lures with rattles, and find that I catch about 75% of the total fish on these lures.
Hope this helps.
Doug Johnson
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| DougJ, those are some pretty powerful numbers that noone can ignore!!! Any thoughts on WHY your numbers are the way they are? In other words, WHY/HOW do you think rattles work? Thanks!!!
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| Mike,
Just my 2 cents, not sure it tells you much. As many of my trolling cranks begin to leak I fill them (as do most of us) with foam. This eliminates the rattles. I have no worries about using those baits more or less then the way they come, with rattles. I have found NO correlation between weather, type of water, etc. as to which bait catches more fish. Having said that, I will say rattles or no rattles, I have certain baits that seem to out produce others (makes one sick when you loose those baits to a snag up), have no idea why, might be a subtle variance in the action, maybe a slightly different sound due to hook rattle, not sure, just know that when you start dragging five baits all the same and one or two start to out produce the others by a wide margin something is up. Oh to have five at the same time!!!!!!!! [:p] |
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| So Doug, basically what you are saying is shut up and fish! [:p]
Normally I would say I can’t, the waters hard. This year that’s not the case, but the muckity mucks at the DNR say no musky fishing after Nov. 30th so the boat is in the barn for the winter. [:((]
Doug am I correct and assuming that if you throw a firetiger Suick 3/4 of the time, 75% of your fish will come on a firetiger Suick. [;)]
Nail A Pig!
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| One thing that I think you guys are missing is that with internal rattles or not. All hard baits rattle when the hooks bang on the sides and bottom of the lure. This is especially true of tight wiggle cranks and any jerk bait.
The internal rattles may be of a different sound or vibe but I know of no completly silent lure. Even a jig makes some sound as it hits bottom. Just my two cents worth. I know in the Bass world rattles can make a big difference at times, so why not with other preditors? Just one more piece to the never ending Musky puzzle.
Let Em Go...Let Em Grow.....Mike |
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| I fish heavily pressured water with very low visibility. |
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| Doug, unless I am missing something here, what you are telling us is that when trolling you use lures that rattle about 75% of the time to catch about 75% of the fish you catch trolling. At the same time your studies state the you catch 25% of your fish on non-rattlers while using them 25% of the time. Pretty much looks like an even tradeoff to me. I know I know, shut up and fish. Gotcha, thats what we should all do as often as we can, thanks.
Let Em Go...Let Em Grow.....Mike[;)] |
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| My boys and I have caught 100% of our fish trolling on spoonplugs,,, I take that back I snagged up a depth raider and ran it a time or two and caught 1 on that,,, so 99.9999% of our fish trolling have been caught on spoonplugs.(no rattles) [:bigsmile:] |
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| I feel there I times when a non rattling bait will out fish a rattling bait and the other way around. If the fish are really active the rattling lure usually will win. Under tough conditions, really clear water or post cold front conditions I have done better with non rattling baits. |
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| I can agree with Doug,I also have caught more fish on crankbaits that have rattles while trolling!But then again there is a time like Bill says,super gin clear water or very high pressure conditions,the crankbait without rattles presented at a slower speed,just seems to work better.I would say that I have caught more fish with crankbaits that have rattles,because the baits I put in the water had rattles.Many Big Muskies have been caught and released on Legend Plows & Perchbaits,10" Hookers,10"Tuff Shad,Perrywinkles,Lunge Lures and none of these bigger crankbaits have rattles! Capt. Larry |
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