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Location: north central wisconsin | Well, I've finally done it. After filling my unit a couple years ago and deleting a couple hundred unneeded icons, my unit is again full. I have not done a good job with waypoint management and everything is stored on my units and backed up in full on two different chips every couple weeks or so.
I run an lcx 111 and an HDS 7. My 111 became full yesterday while trolling Petenwell flowage when I noticed it wasn't laying icons where I had bites.
In lieu of using my unit and hand deleting a ton of waypoints in MN then saving a 'WI' file, and then doing the same for MN, Canada, Green Bay etc., and then doing the same on each of my units, I'd really like to manage my waypoints and icons from my computer. I also have a hand held ifinder h20 that I'd like to again incorporate everything from ice fishing onto my summer units, once properly managed. My biggest concern is that I know I have waypoints/data on each unit that is separate from the others. However I don't have the room to save it all on each. If I could get a management system started, I could more easily transfer data to each.
I have done some research on this and the jury seems to be out on the various softwares out there. Some folks say I cannot manage the separate file types from my 111/ifinder along with the file types from my HDS 7. This is what a person had to say on the BBC boards after I did a search:
"1. ExpertGPS/EasyGPS: It only imports GPX files NOT native .URS files from Lowrance. They don't tell you that in their advertising! You WILL loose all your icons & symbols when you import/export GPX files from your Lowrance GPS.
2. MapCreate 7: Will import Ver 2 .URS files however there is a (overload error) bug in the software that occurs when zooming in on a lake. The program locks up and you loose your changes. They don't intend on fixing it and never will since MapCreate was canned years ago.
3. Hotmaps Explorer: This software will import Ver 2 but it doesn't contain one of the major lakes I fish "Lake Conroe". This software has been cumbersome to work with and buggy. It's discontinued and is no longer supported."
What I really want to do is separate my data into region specific files. In other words, I will have enough room on my unit for one of each of the following moving forward: Canada, inland WI, MN, Great Lakes/Green Bay. Can anyone help me get started with this?
Thanks much in advance
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| Reef Hawg- I have broken my data down the hard way. I have done it by hand on the units. I started with all the data and saved it. Then I manually deleted all the non relevant data for the particular area I am and then save that file. I then repeat the process for the other areas. Luckily I started this a few years ago and once I have my areas saved, I just update those as necessary. I only keep the info on the SD cards but it can be saved to PC easy enough. I am interested in hearing how others deal with this and if there are faster ways than the manual method. Once you start saving localized info, its easy. Its just getting started that is hard. |
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Location: Pulaski, WI | I'll take the GB waypoints to back them up for you... |
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Location: 31 | I still run a 113 (virtually the same unit) for my 2-D stuff, so I'm very familiar with running out of icons (that's going to change soon). If you have the same icons marking the same thing on all bodies of water, that's going to be the biggest issue unless you cut them out geographically.
There's a pretty simple solution though if you're willing to manually change one or two lakes to a different symbol now on your HDS. Once you get 1-2 lakes changed out so you are well under the 1k limit, you can then reload the LCX with the the new master (without the manually changed lakes). It will be a bit of a back and forth loading and reloading of the waypoints on the HDS. The key moving forward will be to use different waypoint symbols for each area and then delete the old ones by symbol so you end up with a clean copy of each lake/area. It's very doable to slowly change them out while fishing on the remaining bodies of water, obviously making a clean copy for each lake/area after each trip... a bit of a process, but very doable. |
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Location: north central wisconsin | Jerry, because I share the 111 with the HDS 7, can I do that and then make a single file to save on both? I like the idea of regional data solution a bit better but I will be deleting thousands of icons/waypoints either way.
One other question I have is now that the new units do not use icons, am I better off saving everything as a waypoint so it is shared directly between the units, eliminating the need to copy the info via SD cards?
Still hoping there is a PC solution to input all of my data on a big map and manage that way. Does Humminbird offer such a solution? When shopping for units in the future, data management will come into play. Thanks much! |
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| Have any of you tried the insight planner ? and know if it can be used to create and organize waypoints? |
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Location: 31 | Yes, you can make a single file as long as you keep it under the 1k LCX limit. I don't see why you have to delete thousands of waypoints though because you should still have a copy from the LCX on an SD card, and the HDS has a 10k capacity so it's not like you will be losing them. You just can't transfer them all from the HDS to the LCX at the same time.
I always back everything up with SD cards, my solution has been to maintain them by lake, and for large systems, by area. The simple solution would be to dump the 111 and buy another HDS if you can swing it.
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Location: north central wisconsin | I hear you on the 'ICON' naming. As long as I don't delete everything off of my lcx and then save from the HDS, I'm fine, but I cannot save from my HDS as a result. However, I know moving forward I'll be using waypoints exclusively. Like you, I like my icons for laying down bread crumbs close together to loosely follow, leaving a waypoint with a number/name at 'important' sites along the way. It has worked extremely well for me, but I see I will need to change, as I am out of icons... lol.
I just spent 3 hours in the garage trying to save all of my data in one place in order to start from scratch. I first saved everything from my handheld to my lcx, then back. Then I saved everything from the lcx to the HDS. I tried to save back to the LCX but full. So, I saved a file from the LCX then wiped it clean and tried to save from the HDS. Mistake. Icons were named, and I had double waypoints galore. So I went back to the LCX file where I still have a ton of double waypoints. It appears as though the handheld is version 2(without depth) and when I saved everything between the boat units I use version 3. At least only one of the waypoints show up on the map, but it is a problem i'm not certain I know how to deal with.
Waypoints/icons take up virtually no hard drive space on a unit, why not allow unlimited storage. The fact that it isn't reality, has shown me how difficult it is to manage data between varying aged units from the same manufacturer. If anyone else reads this that has a PC or easy short cut for deleting mass quantities of waypoints, but not all, let us know.
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Location: Northwest Wisconsin | Do you have acces to a touch unit. If so you can export the waypoints regionally by dragging a window around a lake or set of lakes. Could just take your sd card to a store with a touch unit and "borrow" it. |
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Location: north central wisconsin | Kwestlund - 7/22/2014 8:54 PM
Do you have acces to a touch unit. If so you can export the waypoints regionally by dragging a window around a lake or set of lakes. Could just take your sd card to a store with a touch unit and "borrow" it.
Now, it seems, we're getting somewhere. Thank you for the tip. While I don't think the retailers would care for me showing up to waypoint manage with a thermos of coffee, I will look for someone with a touch unit. |
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Even though I hate change, I decided to make the switch to all HDS after fooling around and finding a way to convert the LCX icons to non-numbered HDS waypoints using only the units and an SD card over the weekend. I'm looking forward to the HDS 10k waypoint capacity, it will be nice not to worry about always running out of waypoints like the LCX.
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Location: Minnesota: where it's tough to be a sportsfan! | Waypoint Management is not something that has been handled well by any of the manufacturers in my opinion. The waypoints are the gold of time served. Units for the boats need the capability to have sub files within a file or icon area. Using up all your available data storage should NEVER be an issue. |
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Location: 31 | Actually, I think that Lowrance HDS does a pretty good job of it with a 10k capacity, storage on the unit, SD card, and computer. My big hang up before was how the LCX icons turned into numbered waypoints when I loaded them on the HDS... I kind of feel like a big dummy for hassling with the LCX 1k limit capacity for the last few years when it was such an easy fix. It's also very simple to lay down waypoints without numbers on the unit... glorified icons. I like your statement about the icons being “the gold”; how true... they are almost invaluable for fishing when you consider the amount of hours invested to obtain them. |
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Location: menasha wi 54952 | So.....what did you figure out? Care to share with the rest of us? |
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Location: 31 | I turned both HDS units on and removed the number from where you can select waypoint options, then loaded the saved LCX icons with a 32MB SD card. |
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Location: north central wisconsin | Jerry Newman - 7/29/2014 10:55 PM
I turned both HDS units on and removed the number from where you can select waypoint options, then loaded the saved LCX icons with a 32MB SD card.
I actually haven't had an issue with my icons showing up as numbered on my HDS, until I save back to my LCX. The icons still show up as non named/numbered icons on my HDS. My issue is still separating to gain more space.
And, 10k limit is still somewhat odd to me. Considering I can store about a million waypoints on a 1 gig card, and my lcx unit has a 10gig hard drive to store 10 gigs worth of files, but can only 'show' 1000 waypoints and icons is unusual. I'm still trying to finger that one out. However, because it's true, I'm working with it.
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