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| Me and my husband muskie fish together often I often throw a different style lure thinking try different lures you never know. Sometimes I try deep side/opposite side but he read in a muskie article cast same lure same side... after first person is in halfway cast. What does everyone think... I am guessing been fishing wrong with two people. |
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Location: minocqua, wi. | tell your husband that you are correct ...
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Location: Rhinelander, Wisconsin | Agreed. We work every stitch of water we can reach from the boat in a pattern. |
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| She should not have to tell her husband that she was correct he should already know she was correct. |
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| If 2 people are stuck on a hot bait then he could be correct. I believe he is referring to Joe Bucher and Spence Petros. They do this all the time where one guy is casting while the other is half way in. it's a good way to cover a lot of water on a hot bite
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Location: Smith Creek | Casting opposite sides CAN be troublesome IF either person sucks at watching where their lure is going on the backcast.
I've fished with someone who had to cast the same side as me if I didn't want a bunch of hooks in my noggin. |
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| Samantha and I will usually talk back and forth when we're really picking apart a shoreline or a weed edge to make sure we know who's hitting what. "Hit that again", or "take the left side of the tree, I'll take the right..." Generally speaking, front guy throws at an angle out front, back guy throws straight out from the boat. With three guys, you can move a bit faster, but I prefer two and a nice slow pace so you can cover everything and hit the good looking stuff twice. Seen the second or third bait through score too many times to go blazing along throwing casts that are a boat length apart.
Different lures? Yes, unless we've got a pattern going. Most times it's bucktail up front, whatever-else in back.
I cast over my right and she casts over her left, so we can stand pretty close together without getting in each other's way.
Most important thing is one person should be starting their figure 8 when the other's lure hits the water. |
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| Nell - 8/28/2013 1:07 PM
Me and my husband muskie fish together often I often throw a different style lure thinking try different lures you never know. Sometimes I try deep side/opposite side but he read in a muskie article cast same lure same side... after first person is in halfway cast. What does everyone think... I am guessing been fishing wrong with two people.
Not really a correct or incorrect choice but here are some things to consider,
In many spots you are fishing a very specific structure, break, object or cover. You are fishing that particular place because it tends to draw and hold fish. Casting out of the other side of the boat may actually be throwing your baits into a musky void in a lot of the places I fish. Waste of time generally. Doesn't mean you won't occasionally contact a fish, but you are much better throwing to the "good stuff".
In spots where you are located up on a structure and have ? cover ? weeds scattered all over and are drifting across, theoretically, a cast in any direction could produce BUT, casting in any direction is kind of random coverage of the cover, and may not do a very good job of coverage, particularly on days you need to have fairly close contact to move fish. By lining up your drifts and your coverage you will do a much better job of complete coverage and after two or three passes(depending on the size of the area), you will have covered it well and be secure in the knowledge of active or lack of active fish.
When you are specifically on a break, such as a contour line with a drop off, or weedbed edge, this would be an area where you might benefit from one going out to clear water and one working up on the shoal or weedbed you are outlining with your boat control. This may show you a pattern of fish located outside the cover or suspened out away from the shoal, or you might see the fish up on the cover, or shoal. If they show in either place, give that side additional effort.
However, despite all the potential places above, you sound like you and your husband are fairly new to the sport. Newbies would probably be well advised to fish out of one side of the boat, using two different, and "speed compatible" lures to cover, and recover the area being fished. The halfway back casting pattern allows baits to come I,n and fish to come in, without the confusion and mess created by two baits coming in at the same time, and also cuts down on tangles from crossed lines, since one cast is halfway in. It allows coverage of spots in a way that is fairly precise and thorough, though as you get better at what you guys are doing, you'll be much more precise and thorough than you currently are.
Also, casting out of opposite sides of the boat can be dangerous in rough water or any time one of the partners kind of loses track of what they are doing, resulting in potential hooking incidents(quite painful)and crossed casts going opposite directions, (helluvamess).
So, I think casting out the same side of the boat has several advantages for you at this point in your musky fishing career, both safety and coverage aspects. If you watch really good musky fisherman at work, they are NOT fishing randomly, and are very much fishing a plan most of the time. The easiest way for you guys to fish a plan at this time, is out of the same side of the boat. Sorry sister. |
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Location: E. Tenn | esoxaddict - 8/28/2013 5:45 PM
Samantha and I will usually talk back and forth when we're really picking apart a shoreline or a weed edge to make sure we know who's hitting what. "Hit that again", or "take the left side of the tree, I'll take the right..." Generally speaking, front guy throws at an angle out front, back guy throws straight out from the boat. With three guys, you can move a bit faster, but I prefer two and a nice slow pace so you can cover everything and hit the good looking stuff twice. Seen the second or third bait through score too many times to go blazing along throwing casts that are a boat length apart.
Different lures? Yes, unless we've got a pattern going. Most times it's bucktail up front, whatever-else in back.
I cast over my right and she casts over her left, so we can stand pretty close together without getting in each other's way.
Most important thing is one person should be starting their figure 8 when the other's lure hits the water.
Some darn good advice there IMHO. |
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| Thanks all confusing but I think I can sift through it. We have no trouble not hooking each other casting so this isn't an issue. If we find active fish say shallow we cast the same way... and depends on lake... yes some what new sort of still learning as much as possible.... this was a new twist both people same side. If I am unsure if suspended out I cast out from structure. We usually make two passes any how first farther out, second in so lures hit shallow come off drop off... first pass out so on deeper edge of drop off. I have occasionally found those suspended fish but Ciscos in lake recently fished, bugger fish are every/any where. Loaded lake.... lots of structure newer muskie lake with several biggies tried finding those one. Spring they were shallow now some decent sized still shallow, but the biggies I fear could be any where. So what I gather is they either said if appears productive if gets hot cast both where the fish are possibly one coming in half way at least one make sure to figure eight... while other out. Different lures don't matter. Next lake we are going to more structure know so I will try this more same side timed right. |
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| Not to make it more complicated, but structure often has multiple facets. Consider a Sand flat. There might be shallows up top and/or docks if it connects to shore. Then there will be an inside weed edge, the vertical weed edge, and finally the deep edge. Then there is confined open water near/around the structure. The fish can and do use all these areas at different times/conditions. If you do not have a pattern going it might be beneficial to pick strucutres where you can not only fish various baits, but also various "edges" or areas of the strucutre, especially if it is one that has a history of producing musky.
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| It is often pretty helpfull to move along a shoreline break with one angler casting toward the shore and the other working the deeper water, perhaps with big rubber. Naturally, you are always hoping that one particular side of the boat is going to see all the action and then concentrate both anglers in that particular direction, maybe using different colors until the exact best presentation is refined. The whole idea is to use the scientific method to narrow down what is working. Also a good idea to use binoculars to spy on others who might be catching fish when you are not. |
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Location: Rhinelander, Wisconsin | We work the water far slower than most. There's no issue in my boat with one angler casting out and one in because we are used to it and are very aware of what the other person is doing. Many times the opposite side from the primary structure we are fishing offers a secondary break, a structural element created by sandgrass or other vegetation, etc. If the angler on the back deck is casting in a fan pattern 'out', we are sure to place quite a few casts parallel and back, have caught some fish we think followed and we didn't see 'em. |
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| Good to know I usually do use the heavy plastics out deep had the best luck..... and my husband shallow buck tails or suick type lures... I haven't quite figured out how to get the strike on the jimmy cisco I have seen more follows when I hold still after reeled in rather then jig shocking... the two times i left in water deep to comment to my husband saw huge critters.... and i usually do jig by boat before bringing in.... why is this? more strikes on side to side out there a ways... once close to boat the jigging they fade off... could figure eight I suppose but not that type lure it has a lot of action |
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Location: Forest Lake, Mn. | Nell
As you can see here, when it comes to fishing and especially muskie fishing you will get conflicting advice. Some say fish on one side of the boat and others say cover both sides. That is true no matter what the fishing situation is or advice being sought. Someone will always tell you to do one thing and another will tell you the opposite.
This goes to show that there are no hard and fast rules. The fish will be doing whatever they do under those weather and water conditions. Your first job is to find the fish. That means covering water. So I'd say to start with fishing both sides of the boat. If you do raise a fish or two and can start to pattern them then you can change tactics and focus on fishing just one side of the boat. At least that is how I view it.
With time on the water and experience comes intuition. What I mean is that as you fish more and learn more spots and experience more seasons you can start to draw on your fishing history for guidance as to how to fish the situation you face at the moment. I say this because when asking for advice, as you can see here, you'll always get that conflicting advice. I'm sure all the advice given is good with good intentions based upon their experiences on the water and what worked for them. But, in time, you have to develop your own confidence in how you and your partner fish together and what works for you. There is no right or wrong way to fish. You have to experiment every day on the water. You have to find the fish first so I say that covering water and fishing both sides of the boat until you have a follow or a strike and get some idea of location is a good way to start and then focus your efforts on whatever pattern you find on a given day.
When it comes to fishing sometimes you have to trust your gut and if that doesn't work you trust your gut to make a change and you keep at it and at it. Sooner or later it pays off and you catch a fish and you learn and you file that away for future when you face similar conditions.
Keep at it.
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Thanks great advice... we figured it out last trip found out the muskies were deeper off structure so a few test throws paid off... thirty feet... unusual for the lake glad I casted a few that way.
fishpoop - 8/30/2013 6:01 AM
Nell
As you can see here, when it comes to fishing and especially muskie fishing you will get conflicting advice. Some say fish on one side of the boat and others say cover both sides. That is true no matter what the fishing situation is or advice being sought. Someone will always tell you to do one thing and another will tell you the opposite.
This goes to show that there are no hard and fast rules. The fish will be doing whatever they do under those weather and water conditions. Your first job is to find the fish. That means covering water. So I'd say to start with fishing both sides of the boat. If you do raise a fish or two and can start to pattern them then you can change tactics and focus on fishing just one side of the boat. At least that is how I view it.
With time on the water and experience comes intuition. What I mean is that as you fish more and learn more spots and experience more seasons you can start to draw on your fishing history for guidance as to how to fish the situation you face at the moment. I say this because when asking for advice, as you can see here, you'll always get that conflicting advice. I'm sure all the advice given is good with good intentions based upon their experiences on the water and what worked for them. But, in time, you have to develop your own confidence in how you and your partner fish together and what works for you. There is no right or wrong way to fish. You have to experiment every day on the water. You have to find the fish first so I say that covering water and fishing both sides of the boat until you have a follow or a strike and get some idea of location is a good way to start and then focus your efforts on whatever pattern you find on a given day.
When it comes to fishing sometimes you have to trust your gut and if that doesn't work you trust your gut to make a change and you keep at it and at it. Sooner or later it pays off and you catch a fish and you learn and you file that away for future when you face similar conditions.
Keep at it. |
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Location: Forest Lake, Mn. | Nell:
Glad to hear you found the fish and got them.
File that information away for future fishing use. Some people keep log books of every catch and others just do a mental filing system. Whatever works for you. Just remember that under those conditions that the fish were out deeper and the next time you're on that water facing similar conditions you'll again want to check out deeper water.
One other thing to keep in mind in all of this, all the fish in the lake are not all doing the exact same thing at the exact same time. Some may be deep and others shallow, some may be on rocks others in weeds, etc. So I go back to what I said in my first post. You have to find the fish and cover water looking for any sign of activity. Then you can start to focus your efforts on a pattern, if there is one. |
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