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| I guess this would fall under the long winter category but I was wondering in the land of 10,000 laws if guides operating in Minneapolis need permits from the city?
PB2-15. Use of Parks, Parkways, and Waters for Financial Gain. In any park or parkway, or upon any waters under control of the board, no person or entity, other than the board, shall sell, rent, or offer to sell or rent, any goods, services, or organizational memberships of any nature whatsoever, nor shall any person or entity solicit for donations, without a permit. The board may adopt rules and regulations governing the issuance of permits and the conduct of such activities thereunder. The board may require the payment of reasonable fees relating to the cost of administering the permit process, regulating the permitted activities, and maintaining the parks, parkways and/or water utilized by such activities.
With regard to commercial activities, the board may grant authority to conduct only those commercial activities which, in the board's judgement, are consistent with the general welfare of the public, and may limit the number of persons authorized to conduct such commercial activities, and may impose appropriate restrictions on those authorized, so as to secure and maintain the quiet, orderly and suitable use and enjoyment of the parks, parkways and water by all people. Authority to conduct commercial activities may be granted only to those persons who, in the board's judgment, satisfactorily demonstrate by the nature of the activity proposed and by their experience or references the ability to conduct such activities in a manner consistent with the general welfare of the public. (Code 1960, As Amend., § 1010.200; Pk. Bd. Ord. No. 82-103, § 5-5-82; Pk. Bd. Ord. No. 90-102, § 1, 9-5-90)
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Location: On the X that marks the mucky spot | According to that they think they can. I'm not sure if they have jurisdiction ON the water though. I think that a lawyer can answer this better. |
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| well since I was born here in MPL's ,,went to MPL's public schools and still live here Im very familiar with MPLS's insane asylum laws,,,
this has nothing to do with targeting guides ,,,,case in point two years ago a young kid was at lake harriet which is a mpls lake,,he had the very ambitious idea of offering remote control toy sailboats for rental for about $3 for 10 minutes with a fleet of about four boats,,, for a few weeks people LOVED it ,,they were itttle 2ft long sailboats with no impact on the lake, no gas, battery powered, no noise, run about 1mph and a way for a kid to make some summer money for cd's,going to the movies or a bike etc ,,,they KICKED him out and said dont come back.
On MPL'S lakes you cannot use gas motors,,"however" if you join the sailing club you can use a boat with a gas motor to go out to your moored sailboat rental spot,,the reason they dont allow gas motors on city lakes is because they want to keep the lake quiet???? "however" if your in the yacht club regatta they get to shoot off a cannon and I do mean "cannon" to start their races.,,,also at the band shell they had a concert this summer by "zed Leppelin" a cover band,,,when the Jimmy Page imposter started wailing on the double guitar version of "Black Dog" I dont see any 50hp outboard drowning that out
up untill a few years ago you used to have to have a MPL's permit sticker for your boat on city lakes,,you also had to have a MPL's permit and sticker for your trolling motor too,,,,the boat permit was good for 1 year,,,the trolling motor permit 2 years,,,now explain to me the logic in that one since you needed both to be on the lake.
go to any lake in the metro and theres designated boat trailer parking spots,,,on MPL's city lakes there are NO designated trailer spots,,but they are more then willing to sell you a yearly parking pass for the paylot. so that when you come on the weekend you have to now park in front of some rich persons house and take up their space with a vehicle and trailer
Ive also witnessed this,,,if you leave a dog in a vehicle in the summer in a city lake lot they will call the park police and they will break the window and take the dog to the pound,,however if its in a SUV they break the expensive rear moulded window "the $1000 kind" to get the dog,,,now explain that one to me?? this is supposed to be for the dogs bennefit so instead of breaking a door window and opening the door so the dog can come out, they make the dog come through a jagged glass window opening???
City of MPL's passed the regulation has listed in the title thread to stop private vending/profiting on city lakes,,yet today there are two fish restraunts on two city park grounds Calhoun and Minnehaha falls.
dont ever try to put logic to any law/regulation that MPL's has,,you can call the city and ask any of the the city operators without green cards to explain the regs to you
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| Awesome reply happy! That was sort of my point all these ordinances are enough to make your head spin. They obviously don't take any ordinanced of the books and the fact that the park board takes an ownership role on the lakes is also fairly amusing. I found this ordinance as well and it made me laugh:
PB4-33. Speed limits. No motorboat shall be allowed to exceed a speed of two (2) miles per hour while passing through canals, narrow waterways or under bridges, or eight (8) miles per hour on open waters, provided, however, that properly licensed motorboats, when within an area and during the times designated, for water sledding and skiing, may be operated at a speed of not to exceed twenty-five (25) miles per hour when actually engaged in towing water sled or skiers. (Code 1960, As Amend., § 1031.040)
Might be time to take this one off the books. I am sure they have some one making an obscene salary with time on their hands.
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| I took offense to the "clown" statement. :) I have been known to wear a partial clown costume while muskie fishing and I have fished Waconia...mmmmmm sheephead I just look at it as there is always going to be high pressure on these lakes whether anyone likes it or not. Guides who can fish every day, OK, that's some added pressure in more ways than one, but I'm not going to go there.
Edited by Baby Mallard 12/16/2009 6:10 PM
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Location: Land of the Musky | There are not musky in Waconia lake. I know. I never caught one in the 9 years I lived there 
No fish! |
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Location: Alexandria, Minnesota | I love how guides get such a bad rap.. I tell you what, Most of the people that hire me are new to the sport. Not only are they looking to learn new techniques for catching muskies they are also looking to learn on how to safely release them. I think some more of you guys that are new to sport should hire a guide for that reason. In one week of fishing on one of lakes that I guide we caught 6 fish that were missing large portions of their jaws. We also caught two other fish that had a dead gill hanging out from their gill plate. The added pressure that this lake is seeing is coming from MPLS and St Paul area. PLEASE PLEASE don't just buy the tools to catch these fish. Start buying to the tools to safely release them. In a state where we are complaning about not have enough Muskie waters to fish. We should be concentrating on taking care of the resources that we do have.
Edited by Dave Williamson 12/16/2009 7:48 PM
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Location: On the X that marks the mucky spot | How are guides getting a bad rap here? If anything this is a poke at how stupid the city of Mpls is. |
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| this has NOTHING to do with guides in its origin and intent although guides might fall into this catagory ,,,its aimed at Hot dog vendors pushing carts,,Ice cream trucks cruising the lakes,,artists who set up easels and paint the lake landscape and then offer their work for sale to passers by. |
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Location: Alexandria, Minnesota | There was a post on this thread earlier, It must have been taken off. I was targeting some guides saying something like the 400 or so Guides/Clowns that are guiding on Waconia should be kicked off due to this ordinance. That is what I was responding too.
Edited by Dave Williamson 12/17/2009 5:43 PM
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Location: Minneconia | Dont forget Tonka!
Edited by Dirt Esox 12/17/2009 6:17 PM
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Location: Minnetonka | Thanks DJS. I enjoyed reading about statute PB2-15. Is this currently in place? What if the financial gains go to a charity?
It looks to me like a good way to separate the guides from the "guides". |
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Location: Minneapolis | Yup. I live in Minneapolis, too, and it's hard to figure out the rules. Would it kill the city to put out a sign at the launches that says electric motors only? AFAIK, the only place to find out that rule is on the Minneapolis web site.
The two fish restaurants *are* licensed, so I don't see that as a contradiction. In fact, Sea Salt in Minnehaha Falls park is fine place to eat. |
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| Fees, fines, rules, regulations, restrictions, permits. I love Minneapolis. |
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| I woudn't worry about it. The Park Police and not going to put in the effort. |
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| The only thing you want to worry about it parking. Make sure you have the PB sticker if you park in the lots. Don't park on the Parkway after 10. Make sure your tabs are paid. And the park police end patrol at 2 during the summer. And 12:30 during the rest of the year. So if you want to use your motor at night do it. Just don't go too fast |
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| You will most likely get away with it,,,however!!! they do not have to catch you in the act,,,if someone on shore sees you and signs a complaint when the cops come thats good enough to issue the ticket,,at least it was a few years back..I know someone who got one this way $200 and all he was doing was using his motor for breaking up the ice so the bank fisherman could fish. |
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