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| As we read this. Theres a kill tourney on ST. CLAIR. yesterday there were 5 fish over 50 inchs killed. Todays the last day. Anyone have any thoughts how to limit theses michigan clubs from killing off the musky fishereies..We report mortality on releases. These fish are now turtle food.,, no chance at all. |
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| Muskies should be put on the endangered speciecs list so that nobody can kill them, but we can still be able to fish them we just have to relese them. |
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Location: SW Michigan | http://www.michiganmuskiealliance.org/muskie_index.php |
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Location: Rhinelander, Wisconsin | I've noticed the population of muskies there really is bad, and there are not any big fish there, either...these tournaments have RUINED St Clair. No reason to ever fish there again.
Not hardly.
Turtle food? Are you saying the fish were thrown back into the water dead?
I'd bet the CPR rate on St Clair is way better now than ever, so headway is being made. Education and steady but reasonable and well spoken conservation ethic pressure is the only way. Change is acquired by gaining local support, and that won't happen with mean spirited or extremist sounding rhetoric.
VHS is a MUCH larger enemy there at this point.
Endangered species list? Bad idea, you wouldn't be able to fish them at all.
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Location: Southeast Wisconsin | sworrall - 8/12/2007 8:47 AM
VHS is a MUCH larger enemy there at this point.
Even MORE reason to stop killing healthy fish...maybe a "C&K the VHS fish tourney instead?" |
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Location: Rhinelander, Wisconsin | So expend this energy working toward C&R for the events on St. Clair, but use real information based on real biological data as to the potential impact, get the support of the local fisheries scientists, and work with local anglers to obtain the goal of C&R tournaments there.
If your fisheries managers tell you the actual biological impact of C&K events is minimal or zero, you will need to use positive PR to get the job done, and that job isn't easy. One thing I can assure you ...if you go off like a bottle rocket and insult the folks you want to influence, your impact will be not what you hope for.
Zero harvest sometimes just isn't the goal set for those waters in the area management plan. Call the fisheries folks over there and find out what the goals set for St Clair might be, and move on from there. If this thread is just posted to complain and to hope someone else will act then it's wasted energy. If you have the time to post here, you have the time to email the Michigan and Ontario fisheries folks, the club that holds the event, etc.
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| not at all just take a look at those link!
http://ziggielures.com/gallery.htm
http://www.lscmuskieshop.com/The%20Shoulders.jpg
do you noticed on the livewell?you can read cpr lmafo |
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| The momc have been approached. they state 99 per-cent release. but if you were here to witness the release methods and watch monthly kill tournies you to would be teeed off. . oh bye the way the tourneys at 6 known dead fish over 50. you stated vhs the biggest concern mr. sworral. how about those big girsl reproductive organs aka eggs ans spawn. this is not a vent. these are facts that have to be changed.. wit dnr under funding and little put back i feel its up to the fishermen to implement change. just ask any folks who have seen the way things are here. im quite sure theres others who have been here and seen. |
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Location: Rhinelander, Wisconsin | I didn't say anything to the contrary. If you want change, get busy and do what you can to GET change implemented. Post the email addresses of the fisheries folks, let the activists on MuskieFIRST know whom to contact, etc.
Just posting an anonymous complaint won't get anything done.
ronf, there are muskies like that harvested here in WI and over in MN too. I watched my favorite lake, Pelican, here in Oneida county get into what several of us felt was a close to irretrievable situation. Norm and Mike and I got busy( Mostly Mike and Norm), and THREE anglers made enough contacts, gathered enough good information, and worked with enough fisheries folks, businesses, and locals to obtain a fast track 50" limit there. You can complain, or you can act. It's up to you. Since you and 'no future' are both Canadian, maybe you can gather information as to what the Ministry up there thinks of this situation and post that here. |
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| omg 99% they probably think we are all ingnorants |
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Location: st clair shores, MI | Maybe you should attend a few of the MOMC membership meetings and address your opinions and ideas. WWW.LSCMOMC.COM
Edited by agarofalo 8/12/2007 11:21 AM
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| Now Future & Sworrall ;I guess you guy's have no idea what you are talking about!!! We muskie fishermen on Lake St. Clair have been working real hard to STOP any KILL tournament.The Michigan Ontario Muskie Club is a catch & release club and has been for over 12 years. Before you run your mouth you should look in to some of the good things the MOMC has done.One thing the club has is over 85% release rate for the year. I was the weight master for the August derby,we only had two fish that were not released! The two fish that were not released was because the angler's wanted to mount their fish. which is their right! Years ago no one practiced catch & release and a lot of fish died,now that does not happen. If you want to see what is going on over here ,come and fish with us sometime, befor you pass judgement on something that you do not know all the facts on. |
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Location: Rhinelander, Wisconsin | pescatore
Way to start a conversation with MuskieFIRST! You may want to take a bit more care to read each post carefully before reacting inappropriately.
I didn't pass any judgment one way or the other, sir. I simply suggested that the folks from Canada who were complaining about a supposed( emphasis on supposed) harvest of 50" fish during an undefined event try to effect change if they didn't like the current management structure on that water instead of (obviously) trying to stir up trouble here. I didn't mention your group, was not aware that the event in question was run by that group or any other official club for that matter.
I did take the time to send your MOMC director an email just a bit ago in reaction to your post. Hopefully he will call me so we can get the facts out there about your group, it sounds like you do alot of good over there from the website link.
Of course, there's always two sides to any story, so the anon fellow from Windsor may feel free to call tomorrow at the OutdoorsFIRST office with his issues, too. So far all we have is a accusatory anonymous post.
As so frequently happens, opposites on an issue over react, and then accuse me of taking a side. I haven't taken an editorial position on this yet, but certainly am willing to do a full story on the event and your reaction, the club and what they do, etc. If you are a member, give me a call in the OutdoorsFIRST office tomorrow, and I'll get the facts out there.
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Location: Palm Coast, FL | I am questioning the Catch and Release of the MOMC. If you host a tournament and have fish kept because the anglers wanted to mount them...were they disqualified? Keeping fish in a tournament does not sound like a catch and release tournament.:-O
The tournaments our club runs are c&r 100%. If you keep one, it does not count towards the tournament and you may be disqualified.
Edited by Vince Weirick 8/13/2007 9:19 AM
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| Worrall,
I didn't read ANYTHING you wrote that was controversial or accusational. I saw that what you were saying was, "Do something about it, and do it in a positive light, so as not to cause BAD PR!" I think the Ontario Club is doing just that. I hope they raise their C&R rate to 99% like most Muskies Inc. clubs, but what they're doing now is an awesome start....it can only get better.
Kill tourneys are no good...but as pescatore said, the changes have been direct, and they've made a big difference in today's world on St. Clair. The fishing has never been better over there. I think there is a large population of 50+" muskies on LSC, and will continue to be.
We fished a tourney last year....some 50+ boats....we caught 27 muskies in 32 hours of fishing, with 9 being over 45"...two 50"ers. (didn't even place...LOL!!) I'm not sure there are too many fisheries I know of that can handle that many boats, and that many fish being caught, and still be a good fishery. BUT, every year, the guys fishing LSC are catching bigger and nicer fish!
Just my 2 cents worth as a Michigander....
Donnie |
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