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Message Subject: Casting with Non-Levelwind
lennyg3
Posted 9/14/2014 9:45 AM (#730018)
Subject: Casting with Non-Levelwind





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Location: NE PA
Guys,

The post regarding the Avet VS Saltist got me thinking and I didn't want to derail that thread...I know some of you use non-levelwind reels for casting and wanted to know how one goes about laying line on the spool evenly on the retrieve. I imagine it is something that has a pretty big effect on the potential for a backlash on the following cast. I really like the idea of a 2 speed reel, but there are no 2 speed levelwinds available. Thanks,

Lenny
Zinox
Posted 9/14/2014 11:46 AM (#730031 - in reply to #730018)
Subject: Re: Casting with Non-Levelwind




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I have a rod, where i placed a extra rod guide closer to the reel, after i did this, i have never had a problem with the line laying right, and your right, the line laying right, is one of the keys to avoid backlashes.

I also use the reel on rods w/o the extra guide, and it's rarely a problem, with the line, but it's takes a bit of getting used to, if you point the rod toward the bait, it helps a lot.
VMS
Posted 9/14/2014 1:19 PM (#730036 - in reply to #730018)
Subject: Re: Casting with Non-Levelwind





Posts: 3480


Location: Elk River, Minnesota
Hiya,

I use a trinidad. What I found as I fish out of the port side almost exclusively, When I spooled up, I intentionally loaded the right side of the reel much more than the left. When I reel in, the line levels out, stays tight and works very well for me. As the bait is coming back from the left when the retrieve is ending, the majority of the line wants to spool on that side... It works for me...might not work for others, but worth a try...

Steve
andreula
Posted 9/14/2014 9:41 PM (#730105 - in reply to #730018)
Subject: Re: Casting with Non-Levelwind




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I vote shimano just makes a lefty Tranx!
BenR
Posted 9/15/2014 9:39 AM (#730164 - in reply to #730018)
Subject: Re: Casting with Non-Levelwind


Having fished a tranx, lexa 400, nacl, 12 Trinidad and 400TE with big blades this year, hands down for me the Trinidad is the way to go for a dedicated blade rod. The others work, but all had some short comings for me. The Trinidad is a small powerhouse and I never realized an issue with no level wind. Now I just need to find one on sale:)
cave run legend
Posted 9/15/2014 6:32 PM (#730240 - in reply to #730018)
Subject: Re: Casting with Non-Levelwind





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When I used to have a trinidad I had 100lb braid on it. I would cast out and while on the retrieve use my thumb to help keep the line overlap itself. At the end of the day on the way to the dock i would let all the line out and retrieve it to keep it tight for the next day.
RyanJoz
Posted 9/15/2014 8:21 PM (#730259 - in reply to #730164)
Subject: Re: Casting with Non-Levelwind




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Location: Mt. Zion, IL
BenR - 9/15/2014 9:39 AM

Having fished a tranx, lexa 400, nacl, 12 Trinidad and 400TE with big blades this year, hands down for me the Trinidad is the way to go for a dedicated blade rod. The others work, but all had some short comings for me. The Trinidad is a small powerhouse and I never realized an issue with no level wind. Now I just need to find one on sale:)


What made you prefer the Trinidad over the Tranx?
BenR
Posted 9/15/2014 9:50 PM (#730271 - in reply to #730259)
Subject: Re: Casting with Non-Levelwind


RyanJoz - 9/15/2014 8:21 PM

BenR - 9/15/2014 9:39 AM

Having fished a tranx, lexa 400, nacl, 12 Trinidad and 400TE with big blades this year, hands down for me the Trinidad is the way to go for a dedicated blade rod. The others work, but all had some short comings for me. The Trinidad is a small powerhouse and I never realized an issue with no level wind. Now I just need to find one on sale:)


What made you prefer the Trinidad over the Tranx?


It feels stronger both in performance and build. The size 12 is much smaller and performs the same. The trans just feels flexible to me and is much bigger. All thing considered I preferred the Trinidad. BR
lennyg3
Posted 9/16/2014 11:58 PM (#730408 - in reply to #730018)
Subject: Re: Casting with Non-Levelwind





Posts: 483


Location: NE PA
Thanks for the replies guys. Some good ideas I never thought about. My wanting a non-levelwind is because of the gearing and distance I can get. I'm not concerned with the left hand retrieve, but I do agree that manufacturers should offer more left handed options. I also considered getting a left handed combo to give my right a break. How large is say the Trinidad 16 and what is the importance of the NA designation. Thanks again guys,

Lenny
cave run legend
Posted 9/17/2014 7:06 AM (#730414 - in reply to #730018)
Subject: Re: Casting with Non-Levelwind





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The 16 is very large. The 12 is the way to go IMO.
achotrod
Posted 9/17/2014 10:49 AM (#730461 - in reply to #730259)
Subject: Re: Casting with Non-Levelwind





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RyanJoz - 9/15/2014 8:21 PM

BenR - 9/15/2014 9:39 AM

Having fished a tranx, lexa 400, nacl, 12 Trinidad and 400TE with big blades this year, hands down for me the Trinidad is the way to go for a dedicated blade rod. The others work, but all had some short comings for me. The Trinidad is a small powerhouse and I never realized an issue with no level wind. Now I just need to find one on sale:)


What made you prefer the Trinidad over the Tranx?


I may be mistaken but I believe Ben also likes the LEXA 400 over the Tranx.
lennyg3
Posted 9/17/2014 5:37 PM (#730539 - in reply to #730414)
Subject: Re: Casting with Non-Levelwind





Posts: 483


Location: NE PA
cave run legend - 9/17/2014 8:06 AM

The 16 is very large. The 12 is the way to go IMO.


Right now I am using a salitst 20. Is it significantly larger than that?

Edit**

Looks like the 16na is similar in size to the Calcutta 400
BenR
Posted 9/17/2014 5:54 PM (#730540 - in reply to #730461)
Subject: Re: Casting with Non-Levelwind


achotrod - 9/17/2014 10:49 AM

RyanJoz - 9/15/2014 8:21 PM

BenR - 9/15/2014 9:39 AM

Having fished a tranx, lexa 400, nacl, 12 Trinidad and 400TE with big blades this year, hands down for me the Trinidad is the way to go for a dedicated blade rod. The others work, but all had some short comings for me. The Trinidad is a small powerhouse and I never realized an issue with no level wind. Now I just need to find one on sale:)


What made you prefer the Trinidad over the Tranx?


I may be mistaken but I believe Ben also likes the LEXA 400 over the Tranx.


Yes, the tranx is larger, but really the flexible sideplate was bothersome. Like I listed in my original post I spent time with tranx, lexa 400, Trinidad, and nacl just with big blades this year. You read a lot on the internet, "fanboys" push products all the time, worth using them all if you have the means, I did.
RyanJoz
Posted 9/17/2014 9:32 PM (#730577 - in reply to #730018)
Subject: Re: Casting with Non-Levelwind




Posts: 1716


Location: Mt. Zion, IL
Like Ben, I used all 3 for a variety of baits. Typically, I have been a Garcia guy to the death. Ask any of my friends. It hurt me to even buy a Shimano reel.

For me the Tranx was the most comfortable for big baits and all day use. I use the Toro for smaller baits up to about 5 oz. Both are comfortable to me. The lexa felt like more work to move the baits at the same speeds as the other two and hit me in the wrong spot on the hand. The release on the Lexa is the smoothest of any reel i have ever used. This was my favorite feature. I am not a big fan of magnetic brakes, but the Lexa casted fine. The sideplate on the tranx is a simple fix. The first reel i had did not have any movement in the sideplate. The next Tranx i bought had some, but if you remove the "turnkey" and file the flat area slightly, the movement goes away. I, like Ben, do not think this should have to be done on a $500 reel. While frustrating, it took all of 10 minutes to fit the sideplate better. If you do file on the turnkey, go slow and even. It doesn't take much to tighten the movement up. I made 6 light passes with a fine cut mill file and mine fits really tight.

The only reel i have not used from above is the Trinidad, mostly because I wanted a levelwind.
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