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| Do any of you guys use an EJ to throw Mag Dawgs or bigger rubber? If so, what are your opinions? |
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| I love EJ's but I do not throw big rubber with them. I think they shine with gliders, in-line topwater, 8 or under blades, WTD's, smaller cranks and smaller rubber. Mag dogs they may be OK but I do not see them doing well in the long haul with BIG rubber. |
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| Ripping and/or backlashes will probably not play nice with the EJ's gears. The 300D is probably the better choice if you are dead set on a smaller reel with speed. |
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| "Brad P - 6/17/2013 9:56 PM
Ripping and/or backlashes will probably not play nice with the EJ's gears."
Do you or have you owned an EJ?
Have you worn an EJ out by ripping baits?
I ask those questions because your words "will probably not play nice" sounds like pure speculation with no experience to back that claim up.
If you have owned and did wear a EJ out by "ripping" bait then I can see posting your experiences explaining why you feel the reel failed prematurely. But if you have not experienced that why would you write that? |
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| Accuse first... validate later...that is a dynamite way to open a post...
If Memory serves correct Brad P sent 2 EJ's into Shimano for Service last year...cant miss an opportunity to give him a hard time... I own 3 so hopefully that meets your standards and I agree with his statements... |
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| Accuse? Where did i accuse? I ASKED if he had experience, and asked if he did have experience why he didnt write that (it turns the post from specualtion into a personal experience, big difference).
Whats wrong with asking a person who is writing a post that can be seen as speculation if they actually had experience with the product in question.
You own 3 have any of them failed due to premature wear? |
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| I own one EJ and did send it in for service . That was after twitching a 6" Jake in sub freezing temps for 90 minutes on one day last November. (I think Wartman is partially to blame, it was in his boat.) Needless to say, the EJ will not be hanging out in the boat much next year when the Mercury dives below freezing.
To answer your question, no, I haven't ripped Mag Dawgs with my EJ. The reason is due to my applying logic: I had a 400TE and Tranx PG in the boat. Why would I put the much smaller gears of the EJ through the abuse with those two reels in the boat? That is why I worded my response as "probably". So yes, it is pure speculation. However, it is not naked speculation. My reasoining in not using the reel for that purpose is the same that supports my speculation: Think about the difference in torque a 10oz bait is going to put on gears vs a 1oz or 2oz bait? I don't think it is a massive stretch of reasoning to think that the heavier bait is going to put more pressure on the gears. Given that the gears in the EJ are not as strong as those in the TE or the Tranx, well I think there is a conclusion in there somewhere. To paraphrase the Dude "...let me take another look."
Here is the rub, you can go ahead and rip Mag Dawgs on that reel and put my logic ot the test. It won't hurt my feelings, it is your $260 investment. If the thing goes belly up it is then your 15-60 day turnaround time (depending on how busy Shimano is) of lost use during the season, plus shipping $, plus $30 to have Shimano fix said reel. You might be able to save some time if you have a local repair guy available, but you are at a minimum out $30 plus a week or more of use. (BTW this last part is not speculation!)
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| Thank you for the honesty. I dont mean to come across as a jerk but every thread that talks abotu a reel it turns into a shimano vs abu and alot of the things being said are from people who dont or havnt owned the reel in question.
I do not think any one would critizes your choice of reels with you got a TE and PG sitting in the boat.
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| It really comes down to the "beef" of the reel. Reels like a TE or D or Tranx are going to have the gusto to handle the force that a bait like a Mag Dawg is going to dish out. Can you cast such a bait with an EJ? Sure. But the gnarliness of that bait seems, IMO, much more likely to cause mechanical failure on a reel with the relative "guts" of the EJ vs the other stuff listed. It is no different really, than common question of "What reel for 10s"? The EJ will toss those too. But the abuse level vs the gears in that reel probably will not lead to equipment longevity like it might with say a 400D or a Tranx.
Or you could think about from a different view. In what scenario with a 400D and Tranx in the boat would you ever toss the Mag Dawg with the 300EJ? Most likely the answer is never, so why is that?
I don't care about the reel debate. I just want stuff to work. It is hard enough to catch these critters, I don't need shoddy equipment piling on.
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| what action rod do you guys use your EJ on? |
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| I have one on a Thorne Brothers MH Predator. This gets used for In Line Top Water, Jigs, Blades 8 and Under, Smaller Cranks, Small Rubber.
I have the second on a 8 Foot Loomis Steel Custom from TB as well. This is a completely plagerized version of a rod Bob Tugreon created a few years pack. This is my Glider and WTD Rod. It also gets used for small tubes and some other odd balls tuff. On this rod I swapped out the power handle for a 300E Double Paddle Handle.
The third is on an older All Star Platinum Flippin' Stick. heavy Duty bass/Pike rod and some lighter musky stuff too.. I hit some small no motor access musky lakes in a canoe and this rod does most of that work. |
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Location: MN | "Why would I put the much smaller gears of the EJ through the abuse with those two reels in the boat? Think about the difference in torque a 10oz bait is going to put on gears vs a 1oz or 2oz bait? I don't think it is a massive stretch of reasoning to think that the heavier bait is going to put more pressure on the gears. Given that the gears in the EJ are not as strong as those in the TE or the Tranx"
Brad, I have no experience with using a 300 EJ for any of the applications you describe, but I have worked on them. I also have no dog in this fight. While you may be correct in that they don't work as well for what you're doing, I can at least say with a fair amount of confidence that if they don't, it is not for the reasons you describe. The drive gear in the EJ is made of brass just like the TE, so they are not any less "strong". The gear is also bigger diameter than the TE, so "size" is not the issue. What may be an issue contributing to your belief is the number of teeth required to achieve the higher gear ratio on the EJ vs the TE. If that is what you meant by smaller or not as strong, then carry on  |
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| Propster your points are more specific than I could ever have been, thank you. Ultimately the adjective I should have used is that one is going to be more "durable" in the face of a 10oz. bait than another.
I use my 300EJ on a custom MH Loomis that I shamelessly bought from BTurg. Similar to Mojo's MH: In-line topwater, smaller baits, dbl 8s, etc. Really like it for topwater.
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