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Location: Grand Marais, MN | Great explanation there jaultman. I had a quick chance today to look at that spreadsheet, cool that someone put in the time to get that together.
For as much as we talk reels on this forum I wish more guys understood the concepts better. then we could spend all our time arguing about something else  |
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Location: mercer wi | So is the ambassador beast $400. And if so, what makes it better then the rocket. For those in the know, id like to know too. Is it worth the $200 diffrence or is it great because its free to some. Just wonderin. |
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| " If you're referring to the Drive Torque Required column in that spreadsheet "
Yes,precisely
Thank you,Jesse !!! Now I have understood : ) : ) : )
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Location: Rhinelander, Wisconsin | upnortdave - 7/17/2015 5:57 PM
So is the ambassador beast $400. And if so, what makes it better then the rocket. For those in the know, id like to know too. Is it worth the $200 diffrence or is it great because its free to some. Just wonderin.
Who is it 'free' to?
Not us, that's for sure. I think that was rude, correct me if I misinterpreted the comment. This is a reel built SPECIFICALLY for muskies, not 'adapted to' the sport. They did a great job.
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Location: Rhinelander, Wisconsin | tkuntz - 7/15/2015 2:07 PM
Any word on if the Toro Beast HS will be able to deal with double tens? The NaCl HS does not and it's 4 inches/turn slower than the Beast. I would imagine that unless they went to stainless gears that it wouldn't cut it for cowgirls.
It did for us. I'll try to get some video of the reel working big baits this week or next. On the road back from ICAST right now. |
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Location: Rhinelander, Wisconsin | dami0101 - 7/17/2015 11:47 AM
sworrall - 7/16/2015 11:09 PM
dami0101 - 7/16/2015 4:37 PM
bigfoot - 7/16/2015 4:24 PM
Is anyone around here looking forward to the ambassadeur beast round reel? seems out of place in today's push to go toward lower profile reels with high retrieve rates. I love round reels, but This reel is going to cost 400 bones for, from what I can tell, no new features. its bulky, slow, and has an oldschool push button.
Just confused, seems like abu could do a lot better on a round reel.
Yeah I'd be interested to find out what their thought process was behind that reel.
Any one actually read what that reel is supposed to be, what the gearing and internal parts are, etc?
Guess not. But who's surprised?
I looked at the reel information right after I looked at the revo toro beast, and for the same price, I'm not seeing why one would get the ambassadeur beast, 5.1:1 with 24 IPT over the toro beast, 4.9:1 with 24 or 27 IPT. Thus I'm interested to find out what the thought process is behind making this reel. If you can provide some insight, then please do so.
It's an intentionally 'retro' version of the old Swedish Ambassadeur reels with special graphics designed to sell to folks who loved those reels, but juiced up with the Beast gearing and drag system. I'll have one as part of my collection. So will quite a few other anglers out there.
The Revo Toro Beast and Toro S were built for you 'modern' guys. |
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Location: mercer wi | sworrall - 7/17/2015 8:52 PM
upnortdave - 7/17/2015 5:57 PM
So is the ambassador beast $400. And if so, what makes it better then the rocket. For those in the know, id like to know too. Is it worth the $200 diffrence or is it great because its free to some. Just wonderin.
Who is it 'free' to?
Not us, that's for sure. I think that was rude, correct me if I misinterpreted the comment. This is a reel built SPECIFICALLY for muskies, not 'adapted to' the sport. They did a great job.
Wasnt meant as a cheap shot. Just dont see the price justified. Couple extra bearing. Will admit better fram n a new drag. |
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| As far as i understand, it(ambasadeur beast) has a CNC'ed one piece aluminium frame, instead of the normal 2 metal plates with some crossbars, this is a really expensive detail. |
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Location: Rhinelander, Wisconsin | upnortdave - 7/18/2015 4:34 AM
sworrall - 7/17/2015 8:52 PM
upnortdave - 7/17/2015 5:57 PM
So is the ambassador beast $400. And if so, what makes it better then the rocket. For those in the know, id like to know too. Is it worth the $200 diffrence or is it great because its free to some. Just wonderin.
Who is it 'free' to?
Not us, that's for sure. I think that was rude, correct me if I misinterpreted the comment. This is a reel built SPECIFICALLY for muskies, not 'adapted to' the sport. They did a great job.
Wasnt meant as a cheap shot. Just dont see the price justified. Couple extra bearing. Will admit better fram n a new drag.
Completely new reel, new gearing, new drag that can be adjusted no matter the load so you can 'feather' the drag under extreme pressure, new spool...as I said a completely new design built specifically for Muskie fishing.
If you are bothered by the price and want a new and improved extremely nice reel, look at the Toro S series. Also a completely new reel at a lower price. I really like mine. |
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