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| JJ - 7/19/2011 11:37 PM How about that Tiger Muskie this weekend! :) that's the saddest part about this...a dead fish that's not even close to a state record is getting more media attention than a released fish that is nearly a world record. seriously?
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Location: Hudson, WI | Basically every non-muskie angling friend of mine has said, "Did you hear the state record muskie was caught...but it won't be recognized because of the state shutdown?" That was the angle the media tried to portray, facts be #*^@ed. The gloom and doom local media has tied absolutely everything to the budget problems, up to and including whether or not Leah McClain's fart would stink while the shutdown was going on.
Take the government's problems out of this and it's a non-story. Hell, I'd bet there are 10 fish heavier than that caught this year. |
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Location: Lake Tomahawk, WI | Jsondag - 7/18/2011 1:20 PM
Just in from a ridiculously hot morning of guiding and following up on this post. The young man who caught this fish is from Arizona and even though he thinks of himself as a hardcore musky fisherman, he is not. I wouldn't even label him as a weekend warrior. He's just a wide eyed kid that's gotten lucky and thought he had something special...several times. He obviously has very little understanding of "back of the boat" ethics and the unwritten code of musky fishing. Nor does he understand rules and regs for any type of records. Unfortunately a lot of folks out there pitching baits don't.
It is an individuals right to keep a legal sized fish if they so chose - But like I said before, it's a truly counterproductive practice for a fishery to endure, especially one like the lake this fantasy fish was harvested from. There are many anglers on this site alone that have had a accurate catch that trumps this one, and my guess is most if not all of them got put back. If not, that's their choice - we may not agree with it, and find it downright infuriating, but alas aside from a sideways congratulatory thumbs up and a polite suggestion of "next time... maybe release the fish" there is not much we can do besides maybe embarrass the poor fool by berating them online into making better decisions.
The MN DNR and Catch and Release ethics have built this Minnesota fishery - I say keep the guns blazing and don't forget for a second what we might lose if we don't.
Great post Jerry.
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Location: Rhinelander, Wisconsin | The anglers involved in that catch created the story and fired up the media storm; whether you agree with the tactics or not, the fish was a major story and fired up both 'good' and 'bad' discussion. That monster hybrid would be as big a story IF there was a way to tie it to the shutdown.
Take the MN fiscal fiasco out of the equation, and to the general public it's just another fish. |
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Location: Hudson, WI | sworrall - 7/20/2011 10:30 AM
The anglers involved in that catch created the story and fired up the media storm; whether you agree with the tactics or not, the fish was a major story and fired up both 'good' and 'bad' discussion. That monster hybrid would be as big a story IF there was a way to tie it to the shutdown.
Take the MN fiscal fiasco out of the equation, and to the general public it's just another fish.
That's fair. I guess I would expect mainstream media to be more responsible. Which is completely ridiculous on my part. |
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| I wish this stand up kid would of gotten half this much attention.
David was adamant about releasing it, saying “I want it to live and get bigger, I don’t want anyone to kill it”
Not my words, but from an eight year old.
http://justbigmuskies.com/
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| Before I state my opinion, I will admit to mounting my first 50"er 11 years ago, my first weekend muskie fishing, beginner's luck, at Leech. Never caught any fish of any kind, big enough to mount before that, in alot of years of fishing. I know, poor fisherman, am I. But since I got hooked into this on that first weekend at Leech, I have turned into a total C and R muskie fisherman. I have caught bigger, and let them go. I am more worried about the numerous 45-50" fish that get caught by people that are targeting muskie and mounted. I know there is still alot of them. I am from a little town in Iowa of 1000 people, some of us fish French alot in southern Minnesota. I know of three fish that were kept from that little lake that were 47, 48, and 50, just from our little town. Those same guys complain about French not being as good as it use to be, wonder why. My thoughts are that all of Minnesota should be 54" minimum, longer would be okay by me, but probably not doable.
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| oly67 - 7/21/2011 11:50 AM
My thoughts are that all of Minnesota should be 54" minimum, longer would be okay by me, but probably not doable.
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| I know a group had inquired about having a statewide 48" minimum back when most lakes were at 40", and the DNR said that they'd only be able to do 48" on a lake by lake basis and not statewide. I wonder if that's how they'd go about implementing a 54" minimum? Gotta start somewhere, so I'd be ok with it.  I personally only know of 1 MN lake that is c&r only, but maybe they've got some more of those pushed through now as well. |
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Location: Pelican Rapids, MN | dcmusky - 7/20/2011 8:02 PM
I wish this stand up kid would of gotten half this much attention.
David was adamant about releasing it, saying “I want it to live and get bigger, I don’t want anyone to kill it”
Not my words, but from an eight year old.
http://justbigmuskies.com/
That is a product of good parenting and being in the boat with a good role model with stand up values.
A little lesson about Lake Sallie - A lake surrounded by mostly summer homes of wealthy people from Fargo and the Twin Cities with a few other places mixed in. A mid level seasonal cabin ranges about half a million in todays market. To go the the local eatery you better pop your collar, carry your parents W2 and be ready to discuss how much frontage your daddy has. It has not been a managed musky lake by definition, and is full of a bunch of rich kids on their jet skis and wakeboard boats who could care less about a fishery. It was however managed to be a trophy pike fishery and has basically a musky overflow from other lakes attached. I got a call this morning looking for support for this kids story - I told them to let it go, all it is doing is causing a stir.
This morning another guide from central MN and I were discussing this phone call, the farce of a story and the damage it's going to do to the lake. If this big fish has sparked your interest, and you plan on hitting it, better do it now! The word is out and the once quiet, diamond in the rough is attracting every sandbagger, as a matter of fact I was alerted yesterday, it's getting "Colonal Sanders'd" as we speak!
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I don't think this story draws any more attention to the area lakes than local guides and the Lunge Log did and still do.
Pressure is all over MN, and will continue to be.
What scares me is the growing trend of muskie being seen as a put and take fishery.
People think that because they are stocked that it's O.K to kill a few and not be that worried about delayed mortality.
I see these sentiments on all the muskie forums and in the public more and more.
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Location: Rhinelander, Wisconsin | You looking hard for it? The vast majority here are now CPR...way more than a decade ago. |
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More fish are going to the taxidermists every year in the Detroit Lakes area. A simple visit with them tells that info real quick.
The muskie first peeps are not the majority of muskie anglers in MN, neither are the muskie inc. members.
I guess if you say it isn't so, it isn't so.
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Location: Ames, Iowa | I think guest JS has a point. With all of the success of C & R and the publicity big fish get both in mags and in the papers, plus the fact that many folks make only one trip per year up north, more folks who aren't us- hardcore muskie anglers-
look at keeping a 50 inch trophy fish. There are more big fish in Minnesota than ever before and that naturally leads to more big fish being kept. Like I said in earlier post here, there are more guys targeting muskies with inferior gear and tools- I see em at the resort near my place on Leech. |
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Location: Rhinelander, Wisconsin | 'I see these sentiments on all the muskie forums and in the public more and more. '
I responded to this statement. You posted it, I asked.
No question MN is seeing some harvest mentality, but then so is the rest of the Muskie world. Your experience seems to be increasing because opportunity is increasing; it's a battle everywhere trophy fish exist, and even is an issue in some areas where a 'trophy' is far less than 50". We've already covered what might be done to assist in educating folks.
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| The word is out and the once quiet, diamond in the rough is attracting every sandbagger, as a matter of fact I was alerted yesterday, it's getting "Colonal Sanders'd" as we speak!
Forgive my ignorance: what does "getting 'Colonel Sanders'd'" mean?
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"you looking hard for it?" is implying you don't think it is out there.
You didn't ask the question, you questioned my statement.
Whatever.
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| Guest - 7/22/2011 8:03 AM
I don't think this story draws any more attention to the area lakes than local guides and the Lunge Log did and still do.
JS
I completely disagree. I would be willing to bet more people saw the recent article on the Lake Sallie fish than have ever looked at the Lunge Log. All the while, other non-muskie fishing weekend warriors see the article on Sallie, go buy themselves a Mepps #5 and some other small stuff they can handle with thier bass rods and there after 'em.
As far as the getting "colonel sanders'd" as we speak. My interpretation was to LMAO. |
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| yah, and those "water swatters" go out there w their mepps #5s for a few hours and don't see a fish and what do they do...give up and go back to bass fishing cuz they can catch one in an hour...
more damage is done to a lake or area by guides posting pics and reports....heck some guides who have left the lakes they put on the map from the pressure that followed.
if you don't want people to fish "your lakes" then don't open your trap. pretty cut and dry but some don't get it. |
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| poster child - 7/22/2011 1:22 PM
yah, and those "water swatters" go out there w their mepps #5s for a few hours and don't see a fish and what do they do...give up and go back to bass fishing cuz they can catch one in an hour...
more damage is done to a lake or area by guides posting pics and reports....heck some guides who have left the lakes they put on the map from the pressure that followed.
if you don't want people to fish "your lakes" then don't open your trap. pretty cut and dry but some don't get it.
To me the story about the Sallie fish and the media frenzy will do far more harm to the lake than what is in the lunge log. Look at the folks who are exposed to the lunge log. They are fellow musky anglers, muskies Inc members. These would TEND to be much more CPR oriented.
Now when looking at just anyone sitting in front of a TV or opening a newspaper and seeing this story, they may not be. I would be more worried about some rumhead from redby coming over with this 5 of diamonds and spinning gear than the flury of musky nuts with all the proper gear and release ethics. |
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| Captain - 7/22/2011 1:37 PM
To me the story about the Sallie fish and the media frenzy will do far more harm to the lake than what is in the lunge log. Look at the folks who are exposed to the lunge log. They are fellow musky anglers, muskies Inc members. These would TEND to be much more CPR oriented.
Now when looking at just anyone sitting in front of a TV or opening a newspaper and seeing this story, they may not be. I would be more worried about some rumhead from redby coming over with this 5 of diamonds and spinning gear than the flury of musky nuts with all the proper gear and release ethics.
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Location: Contrarian Island | harm or damage to a lake can come in many forms....
reality to me is this.... can an article like this bring a few club babies to a lake hoping for "the whoppa" to hit their Mepps # 5 so they can club it and put it on the wall...yes, short term harm. most will go out, fail and leave w their tail between their legs...this article will be forgotten a yr from now.....
then there is the harm or damage that can come from increased pressure by guys who actually know what they are doing from pictures or posts or Lunge Log by anyone, guides, or just Joe Musky fishermen saying what lake or area it was...for the years to come.....
in the musky world I live in....I'm not really that concerned about the guys in the first part of this post... do you really think the boat launch is going to be overloaded with people bringing their bass rods and mepps to the lake .....or.....more good musky fishermen who know what they are doing?
imo any guide/fisherman who posts pics on the internet, registers fish in Muskies Inc, really can't complain when more boats show up on the lakes he or she fishes....far more "harm" or damage is done to a lake or group of lakes is done by the latter imo....this article will be forgotten a yr from now ....we'll be saying "oh yah remember that one article and kid w the big dead fish"
harm comes in many forms.
as far as that fish from Sallie being remotely close to the weight the kid is claiming...now that right there is funny stuff..
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| Boy I know of a Tavern owner in Pipe WI that has 6 over 50" up to 55" on his bar room wall from the early days of the bay when fishing was super easy. That guy never gave a rip either. |
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Location: Pelican Rapids, MN | Ahhh BIG D.... First the "guest" replying and signing his posts JS is not me. Second, where I am guilty of playing a relatively harmless joke on another guide 3 years ago (which I did apologize for) and and yes, i did cast my lure into another boat that trolled 5 lines 50 feet off my port side back and forth a dozen times in 2007. I have also had many verbal moments with other anglers, many of which I apologized for after it happened. One thing I have never done is call a lake or a spot "mine." And your conclusions on why these events happened are incorrect. You're obviously someone who knows or follows me so why be a coward and hide behind a "guest" avatar?
I have done quite a bit to turn over a new leaf and get a better handle on my temper. These incidents obviously hold a dear spot in your heart, so why don't you give me a call or meet me in person? I can tell you exactly what happen and the reasons that caused it and you can stop hiding.
I have posted a lot of pics over the years and spent a lot of time on the lunge log in the past. I've not mentioned pressure before on here, so you must know me and heard it coming out of my mouth. Either you've had a beer with me at some point or sat across a table at a meeting. I'm guessing the latter. It is hypocritical to worry about pressure and guide at the same time. It's a hell of a double edged sword. So I'll ask a favor of any "Guest" who cares, PM me so we don't have to clutter up a post every year with you bringing this ancient history crap up.
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Location: Rhinelander, Wisconsin | "you looking hard for it?" is implying you don't think it is out there.
You didn't ask the question, you questioned my statement.
Whatever.
Wrong, Oh apparent taker of the daily 'crabby old fart' pill... I asked a question because I don't see that sentiment on this muskie board much. And neither do you. It's legal, but very few here would harvest a 55 over there.
Phooo.
I was in the sun too long today.
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| I will get ridiculed for my post, but I will do so anyway.
I agree that pressure can impact a fishery, but what the people north of the metro experience for pressure in MN is a far cry from "heavy pressure".
I know that all lakes are experiencing an increase in pressure due to the popularity of the sport, but come and spend a day on Tonka or another metro lake and you will love the solitude you have up north.
That being said........I support any initiative that is in the best interest of the resource and I hope that we can expand the number of lakes that are stocked in the near future.
Will Lake Sallie get more pressure due to this story? Maybe. Will it compare to the metro lakes in MN....not even close. |
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Location: Lake Minnetonka | I sure wish I could be as happy all the time as my black lab is in the morning. I wonder what is going through her mind when she gets up.
Jerry-Whenever I finally quit talking about it, and actually take a trip up there, would love to have the opportunity to fish with you.
As we know, the muskie fishery in MN hasn't always been great. It finally started to reach its trophy potential this last decade through a combination of the stocking of Leech Lake strain of muskies and the catch and release mentality (among other things). During this time, the avid muskie fishermen in MN and the avid muskie fishermen from other states that came here shared the same general ideals and beliefs, like catch and release, that would allow these muskies to grow to trophy potential. In addition, many of these same fishermen, spent time and money through organizations like Muskies Inc. to help with this goal. We watched as the muskies grew each year like our children into a healthy trophy fishery in part because all of our efforts. You can see the pride and ownership we as muskie fishermen in MN, as well as muskie fishermen from other states take in our muskies with the passionate posts on this forum, and how we jump around like monkies trying to release a fish as fast as we can to ensure its healthy survival.
Because we, as avid muskie fisherman, have put so much effort into getting the fishery to where it is today and have put in countless hours trying to educate the public on catch and release, it makes us angry when someone who hasn't put their time in to grow the sport and resource, not only plucks one of the fish (legal or not isn't the issue), but then proclaims false state records and against the catch and release belief that we have been trying to educate the public about for years. He does more in 1 day through the media to set back what we have been trying to do, and makes us have to start all over in our fight to educate the public from square one. It's like we are farmers and tilled our fields, fertilized, planted, sprayed, nurtured and watered them. And as soon as they are ready, some guy comes in and says, "thanks for your hard work, I'm going to take this acre over here."
As muskie fishing becomes more mainstream and the sport grows (which is a good thing), I feel this sort of thing is going to continue happening. I already have heard from muskie fishermen in the Metro that it is happening, it just isn't getting the press. We have focused much of our efforts on increasing opportunity for muskie fishing, but I feel in addition to this, that since the time is now that the trophy fishery is here, we need to increase our efforts on maintaining what already do have as well.
I would submit the following 2 proposals:
1. Creating a dedicated Media Relations Committee in Muskies Inc and/or other like organizations. I know MI has Publicity listed, but I do not know if it is a dedicated committee that news and media outlets know to contact when stories like this come about so they can get our side of the story. You would think it would be nice if the media outlets know that when there is a story about muskies, they have a dedicated contact for a quote or a story. And also a dedicated committee that can be proactive and reach out to media outlets when stories like this come out to get correct information in the stories. The MN Darkhouse Association unfortunately has a good one and shows up in all stories, why can't we?
2. A minimum 55 inch size limit to harvest a muskie. I would think a muskie would need to be minimum this size to be a state/world record. I'm not a biologist, but I would also think, that if some where harvested at this size, the number would be small enough that it wouldn't be detrimental to the population. Tiger Muskies should be increased as well to a comparable number that a state/world record could be harvested.
Ok, got to go mow the lawn.
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| Back to the original topic, another reporter makes the mistake of comparing a recent catch and released fish by length instead of weight when comparing it to the MN record. From the paper "Near Record Muskie" and "The fish was 54 1/2" long; compared to the Minnesota Muskie Record which is 56" inches. Congrats to the little angler though, great fish!
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| I think all lakes should be C&R. With the quality of replica mounts these days there is no need to kill and mount a fish that will just get bigger and make somebody elses day just like it did for the person catching it. |
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