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Location: On the water | I would like to make a few 7 strand trolling leaders and was thinking of hand tying them. What would be the heaviest pound 7 strand I could tie and the correct knot to use? Thanks for the help, Tom. |
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Location: Eagan, MN | I'm going to be doing some experimenting with Tyger wire. They have up to 120 lb test, and claim that you can tie it. There is some info about knots on their site. |
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Location: Manitowish Waters WI | I tried similar products, knot2kinky, to be specific. It was awful, could not get a good knot to form even with knot tools. Check my old thread on knot 2 kinky. Stick with the 7 strand and don't waste 25 bucks. Even an Albright failed and broke at the bend!!!! |
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Location: Eagan, MN | That's disappointing to hear... gregg thomas recommended it during his seminar at the MN show.
Esox, what lb test were you using? |
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Location: Manitowish Waters WI | It was 100lb, I tried everything!!! Please lt me know if you have any luck I love the concept of the product. I weight tested the knots I could tie and the wire was breaking like clockwork at 65-70 pounds of tensil weight. |
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| The only knot I've seen really work on 7 strand wire is the one on Bucher leaders. It ain't easy, it ain't pretty but it holds. A gentleman named Bill (can't remember his last name) used to tie those for Joe in Eagle River. He showed me and it involved a fair amount of effort and tools. My suggestion is: if you want to use wire, why not just crimp it like nearly all others do? A properly crimped leader is pretty darn strong. |
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| I have seen people use figur-8 knots on Marlin Boa(titan) and used a loop knot on 7-stand, but I trust crips more. |
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Location: Minnesota. | FEVER - 5/8/2012 7:00 PM
I would like to make a few 7 strand trolling leaders and was thinking of hand tying them. What would be the heaviest pound 7 strand I could tie and the correct knot to use? Thanks for the help, Tom.
Tom, dunno if this is what you're after but it's a knot I use to tie my muskie flies to a 7 strand leader. Strong knot and danged easy to tie. Try it a few times in heavy mono to get the steps down but...it's really simple.
I had it shown me by my local fly shop who got it from some saltwater fly fishers awhile back now.
Here are the steps.....
The knot!
It's called a Jig Loop. Tie an overhand knot about 3" from the end of the wire tippet BUT don't pull it totally shut. Leave it "just loose enough" to insert the end of this wire back into. Now put the tag end into the hook eye.
Now push this tag end through that overhand knot...that you left loose "enough" but not too loose, right? Now, take and make a 1/2 hitch just behind that overhand knot and snug it up.
Make a second 1/2 hitch again behind this one but this time pull her tight with a pair of pliers!
Done! If it turned out right..and sometimes it doesn't, depending on how tight that overhand knot was...you'll end up with a neat little "jig loop" that your fly can swing freely on!!!
Jeremy. |
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Location: 31 | Peter Stoltman - 5/11/2012 7:37 AM The only knot I've seen really work on 7 strand wire is the one on Bucher leaders. It ain't easy, it ain't pretty but it holds. A gentleman named Bill (can't remember his last name) used to tie those for Joe in Eagle River. He showed me and it involved a fair amount of effort and tools. My suggestion is: if you want to use wire, why not just crimp it like nearly all others do? A properly crimped leader is pretty darn strong. I think this is some excellent advice. Pete understands the nuts and bolts of good muskie tackle better than most, he handles it daily and knows what to look for.
I've tried and tried to do knots myself with un-coated Seven strand leaders and have never been satisfied with the results. I would add that if you do use crimps on un-coated seven strand, be ultra-careful because the wire tends to slip out pretty easily if not connected properly. A nice little trick I do to help prevent slippage is to stick pieces of monofilament in the crimp before crimping, then melt the ends of it and heat the middle of the crimp a little bit to lock it in there better. Obviously coated Seven strand leaders require less vigilance, but you should always pull test enough of either of them when you first use different materials to be sure you have a good connection.
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| i use 40lb - 49 strand for jigs and other small stuff and 90lb - 49 strand for everything else. i use an albright knot to the braid end of things and have yet to have any problems with it. on the bait end of things i crimp using double barrel sleeves. i push the tag end thru a 1/2" long piece of shrink tubing then i take the tag end of the 49 strand thru one side of a double barrel sleeve them thru one eye of a small spro barrel swivel, 100lb i think they are, then back down thru the other side of the double barrel but i just don't stop and crimp there. i take the tag end back up thru one side of the double barrel sleeve again and so it can barely be seen coming out the top of the sleeve so i end up with two small 1/8" loops on each end of the sleeve. then i crimp using a swag tool but of course not near the very ends of the sleeve then slide the shrink tube over the crimp and heat. i then put a split ring on the barrel swivel for everything i throw. works for me... |
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