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North of 8
Posted 9/14/2021 7:53 AM (#990834 - in reply to #988553)
Subject: Re: LiveScope and similar technology




On Saturday, the Larry Smith Show was about jigging for King salmon off the Milwaukee harbor. He had Live Scope and it showed the kings on the bottom and his bait bouncing between them. They certainly didn't hit it every time through but it gave them confidence to keep fishing the area and be patient. They caught six kings in a relatively small area.
I was fishing Sunday and in an area where I have caught fish and moved a lot more, I glanced down and saw what appeared to be two good sized musky on my Mega SI. They managed to resist the allure of the Fat B I had thrown over their heads. Knowing there are fish in an area is a huge asset but still need to get them to eat. Couple times I have seen musky in the shallows near my dock and they just watch the bucktail go right past their nose.
kap
Posted 9/14/2021 8:34 AM (#990835 - in reply to #988553)
Subject: Re: LiveScope and similar technology




Posts: 454


Location: deephaven mn
It's great because it shows you exactly how far of the weed line or rock line you actually are.
It may also confirms something i've known for years, this is a goood spot and there are muskies here but the are just not responding.
sworrall
Posted 9/29/2021 10:22 AM (#996141 - in reply to #990835)
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Location: Rhinelander, Wisconsin
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sworrall
Posted 10/14/2021 4:39 PM (#996446 - in reply to #988553)
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Location: Rhinelander, Wisconsin
Now that I have a couple weeks using Humminbird mega side imaging and mega 360 imaging I'm stunned how much more efficient we are out there. We watched a musky chase around our school of crappies for half an hour. It did react to a muskie crankbait, but only for a couple feet. Eventually, it just swam off into the basin. We were in 18'.
Top H2O
Posted 11/21/2021 5:50 PM (#999237 - in reply to #996446)
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Location: Elko - Lake Vermilion
As an Old Fart here,... I think it makes us Lazier and puts the fragile Muskie resource in more danger than it was, say 5 years ago. and yes people are harassing deep water fish in order to feed their Ego and take half a dozen pics.
A lot of floaters on V this year.
But hay,.. Anything to make our lives better......Eh ! Not for me.
I enjoy the thrill of the hunt and figuring things out for myself. I bought my last fish finder 6 yrs ago and really don't pay much attention to it except for temp, depth and structure.
To busy enjoying Gods great outdoors and not fixed on a screen.

G-Rome
Kirby Budrow
Posted 11/22/2021 8:46 AM (#999247 - in reply to #999237)
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Location: MN
Top H2O - 11/21/2021 5:50 PM

As an Old Fart here,... I think it makes us Lazier and puts the fragile Muskie resource in more danger than it was, say 5 years ago. and yes people are harassing deep water fish in order to feed their Ego and take half a dozen pics.
A lot of floaters on V this year.
But hay,.. Anything to make our lives better......Eh ! Not for me.
I enjoy the thrill of the hunt and figuring things out for myself. I bought my last fish finder 6 yrs ago and really don't pay much attention to it except for temp, depth and structure.
To busy enjoying Gods great outdoors and not fixed on a screen.

G-Rome


I have to agree, although I will be getting Mega Live this winter. I will not use it in the unethical way that most seem to be doing on V and killing many fish and getting glory shots.

The thing is, I caught 3 over 50 this year without it. And I didn't fish that much. I will admit side imaging helps me get on fish faster but it did not directly help me catch those 50 inchers this year.
CincySkeez
Posted 11/22/2021 11:13 AM (#999253 - in reply to #988553)
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Location: Duluth
I do think fish will adapt to the new pressure they are recieving in open and deep water. Going to be a lot of floaters along the way though
North of 8
Posted 11/22/2021 12:01 PM (#999256 - in reply to #999253)
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Don't know much about the technology, wondering why it would lead to increased mortality?
Mak51
Posted 11/22/2021 12:48 PM (#999257 - in reply to #999256)
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Location: MN
Curious if guys have used it much for trolling to see where their baits are running at?

A buddy who has the Garmin hopped in once to help me get dive curves on my musky trolling baits, we didn't have his stable mount, just putting the pole in the water. This "setup" made it tough to find the lures and when we did they became even harder to see further than 40ft back. I've been curious if having a the actual stable mounting system, etc. would allow someone to see their baits.
Kirby Budrow
Posted 11/22/2021 1:35 PM (#999258 - in reply to #999256)
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Posts: 2005


Location: MN
North of 8 - 11/22/2021 12:01 PM

Don't know much about the technology, wondering why it would lead to increased mortality?


Pulling fish from 20-40 feet of water in hot water. Normally these fish were untouched until they came up shallow in July, if at all. Now people with no actual fishing skill can hover over a fish harassing it for hours until it bites. Like said above, there was an abnormally large amount of dead fish in June and July this year. This was a direct result of this type of fishing.
North of 8
Posted 11/22/2021 1:49 PM (#999259 - in reply to #999258)
Subject: Re: LiveScope and similar technology




Kirby Budrow - 11/22/2021 1:35 PM

North of 8 - 11/22/2021 12:01 PM

Don't know much about the technology, wondering why it would lead to increased mortality?


Pulling fish from 20-40 feet of water in hot water. Normally these fish were untouched until they came up shallow in July, if at all. Now people with no actual fishing skill can hover over a fish harassing it for hours until it bites. Like said above, there was an abnormally large amount of dead fish in June and July this year. This was a direct result of this type of fishing.


Thank you for the response.
TCESOX
Posted 11/22/2021 5:24 PM (#999264 - in reply to #999257)
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Mak51 - 11/22/2021 12:48 PM

Curious if guys have used it much for trolling to see where their baits are running at?

A buddy who has the Garmin hopped in once to help me get dive curves on my musky trolling baits, we didn't have his stable mount, just putting the pole in the water. This "setup" made it tough to find the lures and when we did they became even harder to see further than 40ft back. I've been curious if having a the actual stable mounting system, etc. would allow someone to see their baits.


One of the guys in our chapter says that he can see his baits, as well as fish that are following them, with his Garmin. I don't know anything about what baits he's using, or how far back he is trolling. Very good stick, and not one to embellish or B.S.
jchiggins
Posted 11/23/2021 8:44 PM (#999291 - in reply to #988553)
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Location: new richmond, wi. & isle, mn
The new MN state record was caught and died last night. What I hear is they're live scopers. Drive around till they find an active fish up off the bottom. I've heard from reliable sources, some days in the cold they drive around and don't even cast.
Abu7000
Posted 11/25/2021 11:23 AM (#999328 - in reply to #999247)
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Kirby Budrow - 11/22/2021 8:46 AM

I have to agree, although I will be getting Mega Live this winter. I will not use it I have to agree, although I will be getting Mega Live this winter. I will not use it in the unethical way that most seem to be doing on V and killing many fish and getting glory shots.

"use it in the unethical"

Not sure what you mean with this comment.




Edited by Abu7000 11/25/2021 11:50 AM
sworrall
Posted 11/25/2021 12:50 PM (#999332 - in reply to #988553)
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Location: Rhinelander, Wisconsin
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The rumors are true! On November 22nd I set out on the last trip of my season with Kevin Kray and Zack Skoglund to chase the queen. At about 9pm I felt that tap on my Thorne Bros 9’6” XXH I’ve been searching for all fall. After a quick battle and a few ridiculous head shakes we had it in the bag. I didn’t realize how giant this fish was until I pulled it out of the net and immediately called Kevin over to assist with the buddy pictures. It measured an incredible 57.75” in length with a 29” girth. The next hour or so was spent trying to get her to release. Eventually we realized this was not going to happen and made the decision to bring it to a certified scale and crush the Minnesota State Record. She weighed 55 lbs and 14.8 oz. Huge shout out to Austin Tausk and Kyle Dorr for helping me find a place to get her weighed and helping with that process. Also Randy at the UPS Store was the man for being so cool about weighing it for us. I’m so incredibly blessed to be apart of this journey with my best friends.


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nar160
Posted 12/7/2021 11:28 AM (#999539 - in reply to #999257)
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Location: MN
Mak51 - 11/22/2021 12:48 PM

Curious if guys have used it much for trolling to see where their baits are running at?

A buddy who has the Garmin hopped in once to help me get dive curves on my musky trolling baits, we didn't have his stable mount, just putting the pole in the water. This "setup" made it tough to find the lures and when we did they became even harder to see further than 40ft back. I've been curious if having a the actual stable mounting system, etc. would allow someone to see their baits.


Yes, you can see your baits. I usually use it to see/adjust running depth and then either turn it off or face it forward and scan left/right. I have left it on the baits some, but have yet to see a follow that way.
Jerry Newman
Posted 12/27/2021 11:28 AM (#999922 - in reply to #999539)
Subject: Re: LiveScope and similar technology




Location: 31
Unquestionably there would be an advantage trolling with a state of the art scope system too ~ literally watching your lures, knowing the precise depth, instant they are fouled, or which ones are being followed would increase efficiency exponentially.

Though not as relevant for targeting individual fish casting, we have been targeting individual fish with our side scan while trolling almost since its inception. Once we figured out what to look for, it absolutely changed the game ~ more times than I can count we have enticed fish to bite, or left an area because there were simply no numbers present.

Regarding the new Minnesota record ~ congratulations to the anglers!


Edited by Jerry Newman 12/27/2021 11:29 AM
sworrall
Posted 12/28/2021 2:28 PM (#999938 - in reply to #990830)
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Location: Rhinelander, Wisconsin
Landry - 9/13/2021 10:49 PM

I can see a few old timers here are getting way too paranoid.
People said the same thing when those dam “ fish finders”came out years ago.


This 'old guy' embraces the new tech. Been cool as can be for me.
Masqui-ninja
Posted 1/4/2022 9:08 PM (#1000072 - in reply to #999258)
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Location: Walker, MN
Kirby Budrow - 11/22/2021 1:35 PM

North of 8 - 11/22/2021 12:01 PM

Don't know much about the technology, wondering why it would lead to increased mortality?


Pulling fish from 20-40 feet of water in hot water. Normally these fish were untouched until they came up shallow in July, if at all. Now people with no actual fishing skill can hover over a fish harassing it for hours until it bites. Like said above, there was an abnormally large amount of dead fish in June and July this year. This was a direct result of this type of fishing.


Don't forget that it was about the warmest June ever, surface layer was 20'+ when it's typically 10'. I'd never target fish more than 15' down, but let's hope some just got confused this year with the unusually warm water, and deeper fish. If the barotrauma doesn't get 'em, the thermal shock sure isn't good for them either.

You can see your bait and the fish you're targeting with Live, let's leave the deep ones alone!
Kirby Budrow
Posted 1/5/2022 10:56 AM (#1000077 - in reply to #1000072)
Subject: Re: LiveScope and similar technology





Posts: 2005


Location: MN
Masqui-ninja - 1/4/2022 9:08 PM

Kirby Budrow - 11/22/2021 1:35 PM

North of 8 - 11/22/2021 12:01 PM

Don't know much about the technology, wondering why it would lead to increased mortality?


Pulling fish from 20-40 feet of water in hot water. Normally these fish were untouched until they came up shallow in July, if at all. Now people with no actual fishing skill can hover over a fish harassing it for hours until it bites. Like said above, there was an abnormally large amount of dead fish in June and July this year. This was a direct result of this type of fishing.


Don't forget that it was about the warmest June ever, surface layer was 20'+ when it's typically 10'. I'd never target fish more than 15' down, but let's hope some just got confused this year with the unusually warm water, and deeper fish. If the barotrauma doesn't get 'em, the thermal shock sure isn't good for them either.

You can see your bait and the fish you're targeting with Live, let's leave the deep ones alone!


Agreed that water temp was a huge factor. Unfortunately people don't have the discipline to leave those fish alone.

Kirby Budrow
Posted 1/5/2022 10:57 AM (#1000078 - in reply to #999938)
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Posts: 2005


Location: MN
sworrall - 12/28/2021 2:28 PM

Landry - 9/13/2021 10:49 PM

I can see a few old timers here are getting way too paranoid.
People said the same thing when those dam “ fish finders”came out years ago.


This 'old guy' embraces the new tech. Been cool as can be for me.


I'm 35. Am I an old timer now?
Masqui-ninja
Posted 1/5/2022 11:16 AM (#1000079 - in reply to #1000077)
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Location: Walker, MN
Agreed that water temp was a huge factor. Unfortunately people don't have the discipline to leave those fish alone.


I think some people are just clueless about the effects of pulling fish from deep water, end up learning the hard way. Important to try and educate.. muskie clubs, internet forum, Faceload etc.

Edited by Masqui-ninja 1/5/2022 11:19 AM
pstrombe
Posted 1/7/2022 7:41 PM (#1000169 - in reply to #988553)
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My primary fishing partner installed a Garmin Live Scope unit in his boat this past summer. My rig is networked for Hummingbird so I waited for Live Imaging to roll out this past fall. So far we have been using the units in open mater during two specific seasonal time slots that correspond to cisco movements. Typically we take turns casting while the other controls the boat. We have found that the fish higher in the water column typically 12 feet or less are far more aggressive so we focus on those fish. Our experience also suggests that approximately 1 out of 15 fish shows an active interest in the bait presentation. As far as mortality this year we boated 26 muskies between the two boats with 20 being in his boat. Of those we lost one fish that inhaled a crankbait while trolling in 12' of water and was unrelated to sharpshooting. BTW - I also took my bumpboard out of the boat and now use a floating stick if I or my guest feels the need to measure.

Edited by pstrombe 1/7/2022 7:45 PM
Kirby Budrow
Posted 1/8/2022 10:49 PM (#1000207 - in reply to #1000169)
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Posts: 2005


Location: MN
Well I just bit the bullet and went to the dark side with livescope. Was going to get mega live but opted for the garmin instead. I guess I’m a bit of a hypocrite but it’s a very cool technology and it can be used safely. Like Phil says, leave the deep fish alone in the summer. I just jimmy rigged up an ice set up for it but mainly looking forward to summer.
Top H2O
Posted 1/9/2022 1:44 PM (#1000219 - in reply to #1000207)
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Location: Elko - Lake Vermilion
Traitor
Kirby Budrow
Posted 1/10/2022 8:57 PM (#1000267 - in reply to #1000219)
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Posts: 2005


Location: MN
Top H2O - 1/9/2022 1:44 PM

Traitor :o


Yeah watch, I won’t catch a thing this year…
sworrall
Posted 1/11/2022 9:23 PM (#1000315 - in reply to #1000267)
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Location: Rhinelander, Wisconsin
Kirby Budrow - 1/10/2022 8:57 PM

Top H2O - 1/9/2022 1:44 PM

Traitor :o


Yeah watch, I won’t catch a thing this year…


I'd bet against that one. Just sayin'.
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