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Location: Mauston, Wisconsin | A discussion thread on another Muskie/fishing lure webpage about Pflueger & Billy Finn Bucktails got me thinking. What's new and what isn't?
There is a whole plethora of almost identical fishing lures/apparatus's in the Muskie fishing market today. There are rows of vendors at the fishing shows offering all kinds of lookalike lures, bucktails, crankbaits, gliders, rubber, etc. etc. The differences are so subtle that only a direct comparison of all the different offerings would help the buyer understand a specific lure's effectiveness, e.g., an impossible task, and very costly.
We tinker with/modify lures in hopes of making them better to catch that monster Muskie. Sometimes it works, sometimes not...
What's your best modification to a lure that works? Ops, its a secret. Maybe not!
Do you have a new idea? Maybe not.....
Lets look at one example: New lures with imbedded electrical components to make swim. New idea? Not! It was Patented in 1903!
https://www.freepatentsonline.com/0726020.pdf
Curious? Try typing in either "fishing lure" or "spinner fishing lure" in the search box.. Click on the blue text link for any Patent and then click on the Patent PDF to see the invention and description.
Have fun!
Al
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Location: oswego, il | Add a bell sinker to the rear hook split ring on a straight believer. 1/4, 3/8, 1/2 to the 6,7,8" models. Twitch it, troll it. You will love it.
I bet many charter captains on LSC still troll billy fin bucktails when they can find them. Used to be a hot bait a few years ago.
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Location: Mauston, Wisconsin | ToddM - 1/23/2021 8:12 PM
Add a bell sinker to the rear hook split ring on a straight believer. 1/4, 3/8, 1/2 to the 6,7,8" models. Twitch it, troll it. You will love it.
I bet many charter captains on LSC still troll billy fin bucktails when they can find them. Used to be a hot bait a few years ago.
ToddM: Billy Finn's should have been also popular casting bucktail as mine is rear weighted, e.g., longer casts.
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Location: Eastern Ontario | Years ago I would drill a hole in Believers and insert ball bearings, BB's, split shot to get different sounds did it make a difference don't think so. Of course I would fill leakers with foam which I think cost as much in time and material as replacing the lure. I could never get the foam to come out of the can a second time.
I usually removed the tail hook on a Suick as this was prone to coming around and catching the face near the eye. I liked to add a #0 or #00 spinner to the tail can't prove it made a difference but they still caught fish. |
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Location: Athens, Ohio | Something as simple as adding an extra split ring to a treble hook can make a big difference. m |
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| If the idea is to create a lure or a sound a musky has never seen or heard before, saltwater lures can be, perhaps, an un- tapped bonanza for fisherman who would give them an honest try. Kdawg |
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Location: Selkirk, Manitoba | Lure want: something that is big and can't fish the slop effectively - preferably a topwater lure that you can just toss in there and twitch and not worry about getting gunked up too bad (ie a monster bass frog essentially, but with an accompanying leader setup that takes into account weeds, engulfment and floats/doesn't impair action too bad).
The spinner in the tail of suick (horsehunter^) I recall was a Pearson mod for dingy water. Less flash (painted tail) is another mod for the opposite effect.
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| My old red mepps really started putting fish in the boat after it got bent up on a nice pike |
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| As someone who now almost exclusively builds my own lures there are lots of little things that may or may not matter. But its what you get from the custom side of things. And its really cool seeing all the stuff people come up with. For sure lots of snake oil lol.
Just a little bit of different squeaks, rattles, thumps, rolls, glides etc...really do something at times
Im still mostly a lures as tools kind of guy so anything that can make fishing more efficient...like hooks not tangling on casts, lures that cast well, good hooks and rings. All boring stuff mostly. |
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| One lure that I saw at 2020 Wausau show was not an original idea, but unlike most musky lures. It was a musky sized, wood, "popper". Each one was supposedly hand made, with very large cupped face. Should move a ton of water. Saw someone using a smaller version for Peacock bass in the Amazon on a fishing show. Even though probably just over half the size of the one at the musky show, it moved a ton of water and the peacock crushed it.
It was pricey and I went to the show with the goal of buying a rod, two lures and getting out of there and stuck to my budget. But, had planned on buying one this year if they were back at the show. Guess it will be 2022. |
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Location: Moses Lake, WA | After Slow Death hooks became popular for walleye fishing I got tired of trying to get them to spin at low speeds and just took a Spin Glo and pinned it with a toothpick. Spins every time at speeds as low as .5 mph even with a full nightcrawler on it. |
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Location: oswego, il | Gringo Loco - 1/25/2021 10:51 AM
After Slow Death hooks became popular for walleye fishing I got tired of trying to get them to spin at low speeds and just took a Spin Glo and pinned it with a toothpick. Spins every time at speeds as low as .5 mph even with a full nightcrawler on it.
I would like to see a very long shank slow death hook you could rig a plastic worm onto like a pe rigged plastic worm. I made one with wire but the old culprit worms I had split trying to rig them. |
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Location: oswego, il | kdawg - 1/24/2021 8:29 AM
If the idea is to create a lure or a sound a musky has never seen or heard before, saltwater lures can be, perhaps, an un- tapped bonanza for fisherman who would give them an honest try. Kdawg
There are some interesting saltwater lures that would cross over into the musky world. Many though are made for very high speeds for trolling and giant spinning gear. |
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Location: Hayward, Wisconsin | I agree with horsehunter on removing the rear hook on jerk baits for the reason stated. In 1988, I removed the rear hook from a Hi-Fin Fooler; moved the center hook back an inch and caught a 44 1/4 pounder on it the next day! Perhaps a "reward" for thinking about the welfare of the fish? |
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| I remove the rear hook on the believer and replace it with a short leader attached to a spoon or a blade. I remove the hook on the spoon for foul hooking reasons, though I believe(r) I have had a few grab it. One of my best producing clear water trolling options. I don't recommend trying to cast it. |
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| I like tinkering with lures and building my own lures for all seasons. Problem is, confidence lol. If it doesn't look like the latest datson/dk/headlock etc.. you will have trouble selling them. So if I want to sell lures, those tend to catch fishermen (and they do also work in the water don't get me wrong).
However, this is about unique lures.
I've been working here and there on a lure that looks nothing like a traditional lure. It was after about the tenth time I had a muskie come blazing in on my fouled bulldawg that I though maybe there is something to this lol. My lure looks like a big canoe tipped over sideways lol Basically to move as much water as possible, but not like a popper, it sinks like a rock. It sucks to reel in. I drilled some holes through it to try to get some bubble trails as well, and this year i want to add bulldawg tails to each side also. Only a bit of use with it so far, again confidence and fishability have their pros.
I've also been interested in some of the teaser lures that the marlin/sailfish guys have used. They have some interesting top water flapping kind of teasers that look great for muskies. |
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Location: Eastern Ontario | Eastman03 - 1/27/2021 11:37 AM
I've also been interested in some of the teaser lures that the marlin/sailfish guys have used. They have some interesting top water flapping kind of teasers that look great for muskies.
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Location: oswego, il | Eastman, If you can get a highly revered guide to catch a big fish on a sack of marbles guys will buy you out during the vip section of the Musky show.
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Location: Elko - Lake Vermilion | I know Chicken carcass's work pretty well  Perhaps a smashed Coors Lite beer can with #7 hooks and filled with Doughball and corn... Very flashy on a sunny day. Big Pike would love it |
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| Top H2O - 1/27/2021 3:37 PM
I know Chicken carcass's work pretty well Perhaps a smashed Coors Lite beer can with #7 hooks and filled with Doughball and corn... Very flashy on a sunny day. Big Pike would love it
Have you seen the video of a guy who attaches hooks to gold cell phone case and catches a big musky? It moved well in the water (think salmon flasher), tons of flash and boom! |
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| hahaha I totally saw that video, and the chicken one. And here I am taking all the time in the world trying to paint details on the anus of my bait lol.
Todd you are more than right! I make my own bucktails as well, and don't quite pay anywhere near the 100$ mark. I understand that there are quality lures out there that are worth the price of admission. But I do not like paying for a name. Probably why I started making my own. |
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Location: Rhinelander, Wisconsin | ToddM - 1/25/2021 11:03 AM
Gringo Loco - 1/25/2021 10:51 AM
After Slow Death hooks became popular for walleye fishing I got tired of trying to get them to spin at low speeds and just took a Spin Glo and pinned it with a toothpick. Spins every time at speeds as low as .5 mph even with a full nightcrawler on it.
I would like to see a very long shank slow death hook you could rig a plastic worm onto like a pe rigged plastic worm. I made one with wire but the old culprit worms I had split trying to rig them.
We are using a new lure similar in concept that really catches fish, pretty much any fish. Muskies like them a lot, giant crappies eat them like candy. Trolling and pumping them, casting and erratic retrieve, and my favorite, twitching them.
www.laterallinelures.com. Yes, they really do work.
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| sworrall - 1/27/2021 4:06 PM
ToddM - 1/25/2021 11:03 AM
Gringo Loco - 1/25/2021 10:51 AM
After Slow Death hooks became popular for walleye fishing I got tired of trying to get them to spin at low speeds and just took a Spin Glo and pinned it with a toothpick. Spins every time at speeds as low as .5 mph even with a full nightcrawler on it.
I would like to see a very long shank slow death hook you could rig a plastic worm onto like a pe rigged plastic worm. I made one with wire but the old culprit worms I had split trying to rig them.
We are using a new lure similar in concept that really catches fish, pretty much any fish. Muskies like them a lot, giant crappies eat them like candy. Trolling and pumping them, casting and erratic retrieve, and my favorite, twitching them.
www.laterallinelures.com. Yes, they really do work.
Thank you for directing me here. I do a significant amount of perch spearing (yes it is legal where I am if diving) and occasionally one will wiggle off the spear and will role and pause and role just like these lures. I have been trying to find something to imitate this movement and I have to say they pretty much nailed it. I will be investing into a few of these.
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| I have 10 pages of sketches with several being unique, one I'm really pumped about and would love to get a manufacturer to build it but... don't have contacts or a prototype. Yet |
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