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Message Subject: Another Great Day To Be An American!
Steve Van Lieshout
Posted 4/9/2003 1:52 PM (#66415)
Subject: Another Great Day To Be An American!




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Location: Greenfield, WI
Inspite of all the nay-sayers, liberal media, and anti-President Bush protesters, watching the absolute jubilation of the Iraqi people who are experiencing freedom for the first time in their lives, helps reaffirm how great it is to be an American!
God Bless America!

Edited by Steve Van Lieshout 4/9/2003 1:54 PM
Steve Jonesi
Posted 4/9/2003 2:07 PM (#66417 - in reply to #66415)
Subject: RE: Another Great Day To Be An American!




Posts: 2089


AMEN, Brother !!!!! Steve
divani
Posted 4/9/2003 2:07 PM (#66418 - in reply to #66415)
Subject: RE: Another Great Day To Be An American!





Posts: 2061


Location: Belgium
I agree but did you also see all the looting people as well? The US and the English should restore law and order asap if they want to be taken seriously by the international community and the Arab world (including the Iraqi people themselves)!

It's good to see that you guys have Bhagdad under control though! Thumbs up!
Sponge
Posted 4/9/2003 2:22 PM (#66420 - in reply to #66415)
Subject: RE: Another Great Day To Be An American!




Yes INDEEDY DUDE! On a more somber note, there are still many here that are seething w/ indignation; they could be standing in Baghdad Square w/ a round of Sarin gas up their backside and have an AK47 stuck in their neck and they would still holler that we were wrong for being there...then again, there are peeps that still don't believe we landed on the moon. At any rate, it appears we are one step closer to completing our mission. All peeps everywhere have the right to be free, and add to that the 2 terrorist training camps that were found, and things start to add up. Now watch the spouting hypocritical candy arses in Hollywood line up to star in any films that may result when this is over with. I hope and pray that france is at the back of the line when it comes time for any benefits to be dealt out. I dare say that 99.9% of anyone who has ever put on a uniform realizes why we are there, and understand the necessity of times such as these. Most importantly, remember those who made the ultimate sacrifice, and the little W.Va. girl who emptied her M16 in the face of oncoming enemy...

****Dirk, just saw your reply; you must remember that these peeps have been brutalized, raped and murdered for nigh 25 yrs. The looting etc. is being done to Gov't buildings, and not to the civilian population, just the Baathe Party stuff. They will restore order in due time; although I do think they should be allowed to deal w/ those who oppressed them under THEIR LAW, which is much faster than our court system...

Edited by Sponge 4/9/2003 2:26 PM
davep
Posted 4/9/2003 3:56 PM (#66425 - in reply to #66420)
Subject: RE: Another Great Day To Be An American!




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Location: mount prospect illinois
An interesting show i taped on the discovery channel discussed why there is so much rage towards America from the middle east Arab countries. It was very interesting to see. They blame us for some thngs and blame themselves for other things but it all ends up creating rage towards us. It was called "searching for the roots of 9/11". while not making things better, it explains some their anger.
7Islands
Posted 4/9/2003 5:56 PM (#66431 - in reply to #66415)
Subject: RE: Another Great Day To Be An American!




Posts: 389


Location: Presque Isle Wisconsin
The USA liberated another country and now gives their people a chance to live to live in Freedom.As to the TV program you watched apportioning blame to the USA I say this: Let any nation that thinks they have the moral high ground or right to interfere in this or any other matter involving our National Securtity know that the American People through their freely elected representatives will decide when ,where,who and by what means We will act in the best interests of our national security.

The Young men and Women You saw over the last few weeks prosecuting this conflict are the products of freedom earned in other bloody conflicts, Just as Violent and frequently longer in duration.Let this be a warning and a lesson to any other Dictaors,Tyrants,Rogue Nations ;etc that This is one Nation that will always defend itself whether by neccesary pre-emtion or provacation against those that seek to deny us that fredom which has been won by the blood of our youngest and most precious resources.
Lone Stone
Posted 4/9/2003 10:09 PM (#66438 - in reply to #66415)
Subject: RE: Another Great Day To Be An American!




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Location: Iowa
Sponge and 7Islands.  uh, yeah, there is nothing else to say.  Well done!
theedz155
Posted 4/10/2003 6:06 AM (#66445 - in reply to #66415)
Subject: RE: Another Great Day To Be An American!





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Ditto Stone. Ditto.

Scott
Goltz1
Posted 4/10/2003 6:12 AM (#66446 - in reply to #66415)
Subject: RE: Another Great Day To Be An American!




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I live here in Liberal City Central (Madison, WI). It is unbelievable what the locals are saying. Some still want the US soldiers to die. I wish some of these folks would grow up and pull their drug blasted brains out of their #$@$##.

I found it humerous when several people went running over their to become human shields only to get there, hear the stories of terror, and turn around and leave. Once again, an individual too immature both physically and mentally to make a rational decision.

God Bless the USA.


Posted 4/10/2003 7:37 AM (#66452 - in reply to #66415)
Subject: RE: Another Great Day To Be An American!


Where are the weapons of mass destruction?

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Editor's Note:

Positively identified:

A very large, very well built and maintained training camp for the PLO terrorists. Another for a terrorist group clearly associated with the group who attacked us on 9/11 in New York. Nerve agents were found at one of those camps, and not by Military, by embedded reporters. Our soldiers fought and defeated units from these camps, and we lost young men and women during those battles.

Sarin, blistering agents, and nerve agents in the river, and in other locations. A prison filled with children, some who had been there for years, because they said something about the leadership or were otherwise not 'patriotic' enough.

Unicef, UN, and other relief and Oil for Food materials in BULK stored and in use at  Saddam's son's palaces by the elite, while the people suffered.

Weapons clearly marked as made in countries who signed on to the original embargo and clearly were shipped after signing, to be used against the people of that country and to arm terrorists. Several units report finding enemy passports on defeated, kia, or injured enemy that confirm MOST of the units they were fighting were from Jordan, Syria, Egypt, Somalia, and other Nations. These are terrorist groups who were already there in numbers before there was any talk of war. They kept the people of Iraq under the boot of Saddam, keeping a brutal group of people empowered and the population in terror. They are fighting so hard because they have no place to escape to. The population of Iraq will kill them, hang them from lamp posts as they already have, if they  disarm and try to melt into the crowd. The Iraqi army, on the other hand, can and did, more than 50000 of them, walk away from the military equipment  and go safely home.

The rest of the evidence you seek, for whatever reason you seek it, will be found by interviewing scientists, citizens, and ex-military who want amnesty and a clear path out of country so they are not killed in retribution. One might also take a peek over in Syria for some of the most wanted, and maybe get them sent back to Iraq for trial and disclosure. we are fighting a war right now, and  young men and women from England, Poland, the US, Austrailia, Ireland and indeed repatriated Iraq citizens are in combat; alittle busy to be poking around looking for WMD at this point.

The Fed Saddam practice of holding girls under 6 in front of themselves while in combat would be enough for me. SO would finding those terrorist camps the UN and Iraq so strongly told out Secretary of State did not exist, and lo and behold, nerve agents in bottles found there. ( Declared War on Terror, remember?) These people were colsely involved with the folks who attacked the US Cole in Yemen, and those who killed thousands in New York City. They were assisting in keeping a regime in power against the will of the people, and were quite willing to kill anyone who had an opposing viewpoint. Thier stated goal is, has been, and will be to kill people like you, and people like me.

Whether a liberal, a right winger, or just a guy on the street, my question to you is this:

Would you be more concerned if some of Saddam's Anthrax or other bio agents were trying to get through the seal on your front door, or if one of his trained in Iraq Terror cells blew your daughter up whie she was eating at McDonald's? Eventually, that would have been a reality. If for some reason you do not believe that, OK, but you need to read more.

Where are the WMDS? They will be found. They will also find that Russia was selling weapons to the regime. That the French were contractiong for oil and assisting the regime, and breaking the very sanctions they signed after the Gulf War. That Syria is complicit in assisting Iraq with transfer of weaponry and war criminals accross her borders, BOTH WAYS, and providing weapons and support DURING the war.

Just my opinion, nothing more.

Sponge
Posted 4/10/2003 7:47 AM (#66453 - in reply to #66415)
Subject: RE: Another Great Day To Be An American!




Goltz, continue to stand firm in your conviction; if you observe these type of peeps, you'll find that many of them actually have no idea of why they do or say what they do; for whatever reason, they appear to straddle the fence, and flip over whenever the opportunity arises to cause a ruckus. Many are looking for a cause to belong to, and simply follow the group w/in which they find acceptance. Often times they become caught up in the moment, and more often than not the organizers/instigators melt to the rear of the crowd, allowing the masses to continue to face off against the authorities; this has been documented from video atop buildings, and is used as a training tool for civil disobedient classes. Others can't stand for their lives to be disrupted, and are self seeking non sacrificing individuals who lash out at anyone or group that calls for a time of discipline. And then there are those who make valid points, are genuinly concerned, and protest w/in the confines of local laws; these type of folk are the ones who receive recognition and are taken seriously. As for the PEOPLE PAMPERS, those who claim they are willing to absorb ordinance to save the masses, they are a different breed altogether. They seemed to haul bu++ when saddam placed them in areas of intended targets, rendering their "look at me, I'm on TV" false bravado a JOKE; they enjoyed going over there, playing their music, dancing in a circle, singing protest songs, and downing the gov't., but when it came time to anty up, they suddenly disappeared, probably the first blast of reality they'd experienced in years. Sorry to ramble, but felt the need! As GUIDEMAN said awhile back, "If they are protesting on 1 side of the street, then even if I am alone, I'll be on the other side of the street showing support." Howie has a nephew over there w/ the 101st, and folks on other boards have family in the area also. A 23 yr. old Marine/door gunner from the next town over was killed recently going out to conduct a night rescue mission; the family is devastated, but say that their resolve is all the more firm and that our effort will not be in vain. Let's all hope/pray that this will end soon, and take time to realize what we have, and are sharing w/ others...
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