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| Been looking through my R&H catalog a lot lately and doing some dreaming about what I'm going to order. Anyways looking at all of the lures got me to thinking. Are there any lures out on the market that everyone agrees on that just plain suck? In all the message boards I follow it seems like whenever someone asks about a particular lure/s, no matter how obscure it is there is always a few who will say that it is a great lure and has put many a musky in their boat. So here is my question what lure/s would you recommend someone absolutely not buy? Thanks.
Andy
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| Sloppee Pig |
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Location: Appleton,WI | That buggys bait from H2o with the water rushing out the gills. |
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Location: Rhinelander, Wisconsin | Hey guys, there is no such thing as a lure that 'sucks'. Every bait I have seen out there, even the one that looked like a hockey puck, will catch fish. Opinions about lures are just that, opinions. For every negative opinion, there is a positive one out there. I happen to like the Bugsy, catch lots of big Pike on it. Better to rephrase that, and ask what lures produce the best. |
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| I know a lot of people that swear by reef hawgs, but I just don't like them. I guess the ones I have are too erradic and I can't get into a groove working them. I was told they are supposed to be erradic, but I don't have confidence throwing them. But with that said, I would still never say they suck, maybe I just suck at working them.
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Location: Freedom, WI | I aggree with sworral, one mans trash is another mans treasure. MuskieE that bugsy bait is made by Schunke lures (I think) not H2O. I do not care for it ether but I have 2 coworkers that love it.
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| Shorty...keep working those hawgs.....those mothers catch fish and big ones too. If you ever want to get rid of them...let me know. |
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Location: Kentucky | Good question. There's a limited # of categories of baits, so assuming some twitch baits are easier to work than others, or some gliders have unique action, then I'd think maybe some are better than others. Seems like you could catch a musky on almost anything, like a radio controlled toy boat, under certain conditions, but then if we need to be politically correct, the question would be, "What baits produce less than others?" I've even had action on the Slopee Pig, but not much. It's also pretty specialized so I don't throw it much. But I agree about the Reef Hawgs, never got much confidence built up in them so far. My vote goes for a Burmek B1. |
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Location: oswego, il | Most all baits work. I used to have a bugsey and could make it do the "jukes". Any bait that can do that is a good bait. |
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Location: north central wisconsin | The only thing I've found is that people sometimes try too hard with the reefd hawg. Just relax, give it a twitch here and there, and bang you and the fish will be hooked.
My buddy Chuck Schauer bangs fish on the bugsy, though he bangs fish on just about everything he throws.
I thought the rip n glide I had was a dog, though they might have improved it since.
Edited by Reef Hawg 4/1/2003 12:35 AM
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Location: Belgium | shorty, keep working those reef hawgs! I didn't catch a thing on them the first few months that I used them (btw, fish 6" ones with very gentle taps of the rodtip, not sweeps or jerks. Fish 8" ones with jerks and sweeps of 2-3 feet long). Suddenly they started producing and I fished them totally different from the way I did before. Much slower and subtle.
I agree with sworrall: all lures will work at a given time, it's more the angler that makes them catch. I don't care that someone just caught a world record on a lure. It's me who has to work the lure properly and in the right spot. Suppose the WR is caught on a fast sinking lure, and given the fact that I fish in mainly shallow water, why should I buy that fast sinking lure? |
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Location: Lake Vermilion Tower, MN | There are times that I think every lure in my boat sucks! 
I think the main problem, is that anglers just don't learn how to work them before they give up on a
lure.
Many specialized baits, only work well, if you throw them under the right conditions.
Next time you buy a new bait, ask yourself if it's really what your looking for. It may be designed to be used under conditions that you
rarely fish.
It will not only save you some big money, but it will also make your presentations, much more effective on the waters you fish. |
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| Maybe, "suck" wasn't the right terminology for addressing my question, but I think it just goes to saying that almost any bait has worked at sometime for some person. If you guys will bear with me on this one; I think tonight I'm going to look through the catalog again and come back tomorrow and post a couple baits in each catagory that I would guess are more obscure and see if I can find people who have used them with success. Thanks.
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Location: On my favorite lake! | Many people don't like the Pig lure. It always has done very well for me. I have always prefered Suicks over Bobby baits. I have never done very well with a Bobby Bait. Stick with the baits you have confidence in and then if all else fails try one you don't particularly like. It may save the day. |
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Location: Alexandria, MN | No lures "suck" all the time -- they might suck on certain days, and in certain conditions, but another day - another time they will hit the mother load. Evey lure has it's good and bad points, and most will have a trick to working them. Some need very short pops of the rod tip, ohters work better with a 2-3 foot sweep. The best thing I ever did was spent $150 to rent a local pool for 2 hours. I tried all my lures, in a setting where I could see them clearly -- I was able to see how fast they sank to the bottom in 4 feet of water, I could see them move side to side, and I could see if any of them "sucked". I found out how to work my lures and how my lures work. Now I know which lures I want to use for shallow or deep, fast or slow, or whatever the conditions are and the structure I am fishing.
Take your box to the lake or pool or anyplace that you can just work the lure. Find out what they can do, and how to make them do it. Every lure has it time and place -- that's what I tell my wife any way! 
The best I can tell you is this -- If it's good enough to make Rollie's catalog it doesn't suck! He takes pride in offering quality items. Some of those home made or "found in the basement" items on Ebay -- now those might SUCK!
You never now until you try it.
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Location: Appleton,WI | Lures that suck must be alot of them cause i see guys changing baits every 10 mins some days.lol |
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Location: Pewaukee, Wisconsin | There are lures that are just great and others that have a time and a place. Every lure an catch fish when it is presented correctly. This is where the angler has to make the correct decisions. |
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| No, Sloppee Pigs suck. |
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| Yes, there are lures that suck. It may be politically advisable not to say that, but the truth is that there are some lures that will go a LONG way between musky bites.
Here's one on my "NEVER RECOMMENDED LIST"
FROGZILLA
BURMEK B1
COBBS SURFACE GLIDER
BAGLEY B FLAT
DANCIN RAIDER
oh wait that was 5 right off the top of my head without going into my "lures that suck" trade box to see what I have in there.
And yes, somebody has caught a fish, or several, on ALL of these baits, however, there are many baits in their same category that do the job much better than these. So try and find the list of baits that excel and avoid the poor performers. There are several posts on many of the boards asking questions like "What's the best glider? What's the best surface bait? etc.). Look for the often mentioned baits in the responses to these questions and you will at least avoid the "baits that suck"! |
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Location: On my favorite lake! | I happen to like the cobbs surface gliders a great deal. I think it is all personal preference. Some baits work better in different lakes too. I have noticed some that were great in Kentucky and stink in Wisconsin. |
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Location: West Bend, WI | Firstsixfeet send me the COBBS!!!
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| Roger ,
I got rhe Rippers .They look awesome .Can't wait for Pewaukee to give em a try.Thanks.Kurt |
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| firstsixfeet,What do you have in B-Flats?I would love to have another in crawdad on bone.Lost the only one I had and just loved it. |
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| SEE!!!!! The above illustrates my point exactly. Somebody caught fish on every bait, but NO, they are not all equal. Some are universally good and catch fish all over as long as their defining parameters are met, ie shallow, deep, cover, etc., others rarely catch fish and are a liability when tied on. I argue this point with a friend often and his viewpoint is that they all can catch fish. And he probably has most if not all in his possession, but he DOESN'T THROW ALL OF THEM. He just throws a select few that he knows get bit often. I don't know about everybody else on the board but I would guess I am not the only one who has "one fish" baits.
Baits that caught a fish early in your possession and then never did really justifiy their existence anymore?, these are somewhere between decent baits and baits that suck. I hate to get rid of them because I always think sometime I will catch another fish on the bugger when conditions are right, but a whole bunch of casts have already told me that conditions are NOT right for some baits very dang often. Sooner or later they fall off the edge and go up for sale or trade.
One thing that I would point out is that when you are running a 3 bait set with other people, casting out the side of the boat, you can afford to throw a dipsy doozy special on one of the rods, but when fishing by yourself and using one bait at a time, it becomes important that you are using as efficient a tool on your line as possible and that does not mean any one bait is as good as another. Some baits simply do suck.:)
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