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| Still looking for an engine swap to replace my 02 Merc 150 EFI the 150 Merc 4 stroke or the 150 Evinrude E-Tech. Price wise there the same because right now I am told that Evinrude has a free control program going on. I basically just do 2 trips to LOTW a year and 1 of them is a trolling trip.
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Location: Rhinelander, Wisconsin | I can speak to the Mercury 150 4 stroke. Great torque, power, fuel efficiency and top end. Small and light, great build. And, you can troll with it, no issues at all. |
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| Same dealer has both brands? Then flip a coin, I guess. Both are good motors. The 4 stroke will handle the trolling better, for sure. Don't rule out the 150 Opti. |
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| Last year was my first year with a Mercury 150 4 stroke. Great motor fast plenty of torque. It trolled for muskie fine. Walleye I used a drift sock.
A lot of dealers told me big Etecs are always in the shop! Some thing to think about. |
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| Thanks guys I think I am leaning toward the 4 stroke, 1 big reason is I am so tired of adding oil to the reserve and its a pain in the ass under the back deck and when it 25 degrees out it sucks or in the summer when the mosquitos are buzzing around your head!!
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Location: Madison, WI | Both motors will treat you very well. Used to run an etec (90) and currently run a Merc 4stroke (115). I will say the low end torque and hole shot will be better with the etec, but not constantly buying oil with the Merc is nice. Whichever you choose you will not regret it as both are great performers. |
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| I don't know about the ETec 150 but my buddy has the ETec 250 and it chews through oil like crazy. Having to use XD 100 oil he's pretty much adding a gallon of $45 or whatever of oil every time he fills his gas tank.
He can afford it no problem so the expense isnt the issue. It peees him off to no end just having to deal with adding the oil.
We run around LOTW a lot and he's gotta bring 4 or 5 gallons of oil for a week of LOTW. That's like $200 in oil alone!
For me the expense of the oil and the hassle there is no question I will always have a 4 stroke on my boat.
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| ill consume 4 gallons of high dollar oil in my 250 Pro XS in a week on LOTW too.. big 2 stroke outboards consume oil especially at WOT. Big toys big $$$....my buddy has a 75 hp e-tec .. he wont use 2 gallons all week.
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| I have a 2008 150 Etec on my Ranger 620T. I have never had a more solid motor. 1800 hours on it, 92% are below 750 RPM's with ZERO motor problems, ever besides changing plugs that's mandatory with a Etec every 300-500 hours. (Your motor will tell you). I had the idle programmed down to 485 and it trolls to nothing. I use approx 40 gallons of fuel to every gallon of XD100. It sips oil IMO, and I'd put it against a 150 verado any day. I get 49mph top end with a 4 blade cyclone and the torque is ridiculous out of the hole compared to any 4 stroke. I have driven them all and for the 150hp class the Etec hands down has my vote.
musky1969 - 3/26/2014 1:09 PM
Still looking for an engine swap to replace my 02 Merc 150 EFI the 150 Merc 4 stroke or the 150 Evinrude E-Tech. Price wise there the same because right now I am told that Evinrude has a free control program going on. I basically just do 2 trips to LOTW a year and 1 of them is a trolling trip.
Input please!!!!
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| Yah. Exactly my point. You say approximately 40 gallons of fuel per gallon of XD100 ... That's a 40:1 ratio. That's not "sipping" oil. That's burning oil in my opinion.
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| MuskyMidget - 3/29/2014 12:19 AM
Yah. Exactly my point. You say approximately 40 gallons of fuel per gallon of XD100 ... That's a 40:1 ratio. That's not "sipping" oil. That's burning oil in my opinion.
I stand to be corrected on my last post as I was typing fast was still thinking about the old boat I owned which had a 20 gallon tank... Mine has a 40 gallon tank and on average if I am running WOT on LOTW I will use 1 gallon for every 2 fill ups at youngs bay. So that would put me at 80:1. Reading on other forums 60:1-100:1 seems to be the norm depending on your fishing habits. They both have their positives for sure, but mine has been rock solid and I guess it's up the the owner if they want to spend the money on adding oil for the 2 Stroke, or changing oil every 50 hours on a 4 stroke. In the end cost wise for oil changes versus adding xd100 would more than likely be pretty comparable. |
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Location: Thief River Falls MN | Deano,
Merc recommends oil change every 100hrs, and oil changes run about $80 if you use Merc oil. Average fuel consumption with the 4 stroke seem to around 6gph at cruise which is similar to the Etech. If you were to run 100 hrs at cruise you would suck down around 600 gallons of gas which at 80:1 should require 7.5 gallons of oil per year (about $340 worth of oil). With the bigger engines like the 250 the gap widens with the increased fuel consumption per hour. The way I drive I would need about 15 gallons of oil a year if I drove an Etech... The sad thing is after figuring out all this stuff I discovered how much money I spent on gas last year and it isn't pretty! In the end both are great motors, but it does cost less oil wise with a four in most cases.
You need to get a new boat anyways, 620 with a big Black pretty V'rod on the back!
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Location: Minnesota | I like the 4 stroke fill it up with gas and go. Don't have to worry if i brought enough oil for the week just fish i run a Yamaha F150 never had a problem heard good things about merc 150 .i don't think you can compare a 2 to a 4 stroke there not the same. If both motors are the same price warranty the same i would go with the 4 stroke
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| Toddy,
15 gallons seems a bit aggressive... Most I have ever used is 6 gallons in a season and I trolled a lot and made a lot of runs across the pond that year. 100 hours at cruising speed would take you across the US and I think most people that put 100+ hours on their big motor a season are trollers so the majority of the hours are at very low RPM's so the oil consumption is at a minimum. I buy a 6 gallon case of oil through Domo-online for about $36/gallon every year. I think that they are about identical if my math is correct as far as oil cost for consumption versus oil change cost. So in the end it's a Ford verse Chevy type of battle. Neither would still be in business if the other was superior. One is a lot heavier, one is a lot quieter. Pick your poison.
My boat is set up too perfectly for my style of fishing to justify me getting a new one any time soon. But I very well may be forced though to buy a Vrod when the time comes as they are the only ones with the power steering for the 200's as far as I know. |
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Location: Thief River Falls MN | Dean,
Aren't you supposed to be working? Most of my low rpm hours are on the kicker, and I don't run at cruise speed too often. Too hard not to get on that V'Rod- probably like you in the 'vette... I put about 80 hrs on my main and most of them would be in the 12-15 gph consumption range. Would burn significant oil on 1000 gallons or so of fuel.
One oil change a year is nice as I ran the external reservoir dry on my 150 Optimax once. Talk about a pain in the butt to get the alarms to stop on that even after it was primed and refilled. |
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| My buddy gets less than 3 Miles per gallon with the E Tec. He isn't easy on the throttle by any means.
But between the gas mileage and the oil consumption I wouldn't ever by anything but a 4 stroke. |
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| All good advise and that's I think its the 4 stroke !!
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| We are talking about 150's here not 250's...huge difference in all around consumption. These new 150's were designed to be able to troll without loading up while still giving a better hole shot and better top end than a 4-Stroke. My buddy has a 150 Yamaha and barely can get 43 MPH top end with just him and it's a dog outta the hole compared to mine. Very reliable, but slow. I have never ridden in the new 150 4-Stroke but Brad Hawthorne was bragging his up last summer.
The guy was asking if a 150 Etec can troll and the answer is yes.
toddb - 3/29/2014 1:12 PM
Dean,
Aren't you supposed to be working? Most of my low rpm hours are on the kicker, and I don't run at cruise speed too often. Too hard not to get on that V'Rod- probably like you in the 'vette... I put about 80 hrs on my main and most of them would be in the 12-15 gph consumption range. Would burn significant oil on 1000 gallons or so of fuel.
One oil change a year is nice as I ran the external reservoir dry on my 150 Optimax once. Talk about a pain in the butt to get the alarms to stop on that even after it was primed and refilled. |
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Location: Thief River Falls MN | MuskyMidget - 3/29/2014 10:56 AM
My buddy gets less than 3 Miles per gallon with the E Tec. He isn't easy on the throttle by any means.
But between the gas mileage and the oil consumption I wouldn't ever by anything but a 4 stroke.
250 Vrod about the same WFO... |
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Location: Thief River Falls MN | dblockjr - 3/29/2014 11:54 AM
We are talking about 150's here not 250's...huge difference in all around consumption. These new 150's were designed to be able to troll without loading up while still giving a better hole shot and better top end than a 4-Stroke. My buddy has a 150 Yamaha and barely can get 43 MPH top end with just him and it's a dog outta the hole compared to mine. Very reliable, but slow. I have never ridden in the new 150 4-Stroke but Brad Hawthorne was bragging his up last summer.
The guy was asking if a 150 Etec can troll and the answer is yes.
toddb - 3/29/2014 1:12 PM
Dean,
Aren't you supposed to be working? Most of my low rpm hours are on the kicker, and I don't run at cruise speed too often. Too hard not to get on that V'Rod- probably like you in the 'vette... I put about 80 hrs on my main and most of them would be in the 12-15 gph consumption range. Would burn significant oil on 1000 gallons or so of fuel.
One oil change a year is nice as I ran the external reservoir dry on my 150 Optimax once. Talk about a pain in the butt to get the alarms to stop on that even after it was primed and refilled.
150s are definitely in a different league when it comes to gas and oil eating. Never had a problem trolling with my 150 Opti's either. All great motors and all will troll down to muskie speeds easily. Personal preference I guess more than anything else... |
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