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Location: musky waters , WI | Seen a video were they were throwing a hardhead and looked very good in the water was just wondering if anyone on here has used them and if they were worth the money and what size you would prefer. Thanks |
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Location: oswego, il | I have the two biggest sizes and the middle size if a big lure. Both wrok really well. Not only does it have that fantastic wobble, it will also do some side to side on a jerk which that tank will not show you very well. You can weight them with screw in weights in any combination to run anywhere in the water column. Had a slob try to eat one memorial day, just didn't get hooked up. All of roger's baits are unique and work amazing. I call him a wood diva. |
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Location: Hayward, WI | The Hardhead is an awesome bait. very versatile, very durable, and the fish like them. Make sure you get a screw in weight set for it - those MAKE the bait.
In my opinion, if you were only going to get one, get the biggest, 8 oz. size. That size is small enough to use early in the year, but big enough to appeal to fish when they want a good sized meal too.
They fish shallower, and have an amazing wobble on the pull and fall with the grub tail rigged up, and fish deeper, have a little wobble, and walk side to side a little with the tail down.
Just a cool and very functional bait.
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Location: Appleton | I have a bunch of Hard Heads and love them all. You can do many things with only one bait. Tail up they work shallower, Tail down they work a little deeper and fall faster. Add weight to the 2 inserts for all different conditions. I have had very few "ball dawgs" with them. Easy to retrieve and throw also. They hold up to anything and with the way Roger changed the screw on for the tail it makes things even easier. Roger has a great bait here and you would be hard pressed to find better customer service. |
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| Awesome baits and very versatile when used with with the weights and tail placement. Covers many different situations. Go with the large. Got the first fish of the year 10 casts into opening day this year with the large so dont be afraid to go big from the get go.
Excellent hooking bait, when they hit it you feel it. I end up cutting hooks more often than not, so be sure to carry a good hook cutter and spare hooks.
On the original prototype I had caught 44 fish before I gave it back to Roger. Not because it was done, I could have easily caught many more fish on it (just started the third tail) but didnt want to lose it being the original. Occasional epoxy patch is about it for maintenance. Well worth the money.
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| How are you guys retrieving these baits. Long pulls, short pulls, ripping it. Or is it like a bulldawg where there is no wrong way to retrieve it. |
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Location: oswego, il | Alot depends on how you weight it. Last time I used mine with no weight, short pulls of about 1ft and a nice side to side with a wobble. Had a big girl eat it too, just did not get the hooks in her. |
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| Hatcher, here's a few things I like to do with the H20 Hardhead. When working over a shallow weed flat I like to keep my rod tip up and give it short "hops" over the weedtops, they usually come unglued and expload on the bait. In a deep weed situations I like it let the hardhead sink (tail down,weight in nose) until I make contact with the weeds then I will give it a violent rip up and repeat. When fishing deep suspended I weight it heavily at times and give it long pulls with a good pause after so it stays down at your desired depth. You can also go unweighted, turn the tail up, keep your rod high and swim it in like a topwater! I've tried the grip and rip method but that hasn't worked for me yet but the season isn't over yet. Like you mentioned about the bullsh!ts, there really isn't a wrong way to work it. And as Team Rhino mentioned about the dawgballs, I have yet to have a dawgball with any of mine. Make sure you cast overhead and put thumb pressure on your spool just before it hits the water and you'll never have a problem w/that. Every situation is different, being versatile with this bait is what will keep you succesful with it. If I had to choose one bait to use for a whole season i'd have to say Roger's hardhead would be it. I think Shane would agree with me on that. Truly an awesome bait! You cant have enough of them.
Craig
Edited by Mr Musky 9/17/2009 10:44 PM
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| Who carries these baits in the Twin Cities? |
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Location: Freedom, WI | nclaker - The only dealer that has any is The Sportsman in Appleton. Blue Ribbon bait and tackle is a dealer but does not stock them. I am building them as fast as I can and I only have a few colors on hand. |
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| Thanks Roger, do you do the MN Muskie Expo? |
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Location: Freedom, WI | I have been there 3 years now but am not sure on the next one yet. If you are interested in what I have drop me a line. |
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| what size hook is in the back? I need to replace one after I had to cut it to release a fish. Thanks! |
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Location: Lake St.Clair | Really great versatile bait! Suggest picking up two and some nitros, plus the owner is a great guy and easy to work with.
Just ordered a few baits myself. You wont be dissapointed, diffrent tails are cheap and the hh has accounted for a few nice fish this year on our boat! |
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Location: Hayward, WI | Guest - 6/25/2013 4:28 PM
what size hook is in the back? I need to replace one after I had to cut it to release a fish. Thanks!
The 'Large' 8 oz size uses 5/0 Eagle Claw 774's. I think the Buckethead uses a 7/0 Mustad 3551 but it could be an 8/0. |
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| What's up with only Phantom only offering one weight? The purpose of this lure is to be able to adjust weight and work it at different depths. Kinda stupid that I have to purcahse a second weight seperate! |
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Location: Freedom, WI | One weight is all you really need to do many things with it. I really sold it with one weight and put in 2 at the shows for the most part. |
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Location: Hayward, WI | Musky Lip - 1/24/2014 4:39 PM
What's up with only Phantom only offering one weight? The purpose of this lure is to be able to adjust weight and work it at different depths. Kinda stupid that I have to purcahse a second weight seperate!
I believe my originals only came with 1 weight. I bought about a 15 piece weight set with my first Hardhead. Consider it an investment. I like being able to swap weights and have several available combinations to choose from. Even two weights doesn't give a lot of different combinations...
Sure, a Hardhead and weight set might cost $45 off the bat, but consider the longevity. I must have bought my first hardhead and weight kit 5 years ago. I am still using both of them, and have caught a LOT of fish on that original Hardhead.
Can't say that about any all rubber baits. |
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Location: Oconto Falls, WI | Yep one weight on the bait is all you need, and all I ever use. How many weights do you get with the Bulldawg, Madussa, Curly Sue, and Tackle Industries? That's what I thought.  |
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Location: Aurora | Wait.. you can screw weights into dawgs, medussas & sues?
Where are the screw-in thingies??
Hiding in the rubber somewhere??? |
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Location: WI | The Sportsman in appleton still has a dozen or so of Rodgers hardheads with 2 weights. I bought up a few just in case the phantom one s were different. Love phantoms but you never know. |
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| Thorne Brothers has these baits, minnesota of course.
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| the point of having more than one weight is to have infinite amount of tuning options... If you want to to sink head first, if you want it to sink level, how fast you want it to sink... Like Curleytail stated, 15 peice weight set is the best option. |
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Location: Lake "y" cause lake"x" got over fished | nclaker - 9/18/2009 2:10 PM
Who carries these baits in the Twin Cities?
Thorne Brothers has a ton of them... was just there the other day and saw a few new colors too. |
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