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| James are these newer designed super D lures the ones that are currently being sold for 11.99 on the website or are these the older designs the have more of a hop? |
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| Landry, if you're casting to deeper spots you may want to look up the new Bondy 'Hot Orba'. It's a slow rolling deeper type bait with double #8's. MTO has them. |
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Location: Rhinelander, Wisconsin | ARmuskyaddict - 7/24/2013 9:02 PM
Wow! Can you imagine the arguments there could be about spinnerbait and bucktail knockoffs?
Exactly.
There were Many designs of soft plastic swimbaits that go back to the 70's.
Ever look at a shelf full of crankbaits? Which one was the first to use a particular nearly identical body design? 'Nearly' is the key, a small percentage of difference is all that's required legally, and if you look carefully, the differences will stand out more than the similarities. The difference between crankbaits is very small, and it's up to the consumer to decide which to buy. Durability, action, fish catching record, customer service after the purchase, hook quality, and more....marketing lures is what it is and always has been.
Who came up with the first double bladed bucktail? Who used synthetic material for the tail first?
In the lure business BRAND has always been what makes or breaks a company. All companies have issues from time to time with a product, and customer service and a careful, steady marketing program will determine how the problems are perceived by the consumer and effect whether the majority will continue to purchase the BRAND as changes are made and new designs are introduced.
Arguing without regard to how the fishing lure business has worked since the 30's and will continue to work into the future while hollering about which was this or which was that is all about brand loyalty. A product made in the US may or may not be superior to a competing product built in another country. If it costs more and isn't superior quality, the BRAND had better be perceived as superior, or the competition will take market share. That's business, pure and simple.
Generally speaking, it's easy to tell when someone is very loyal to a brand, and that's cool, that is how things are supposed to work. One bit of info...the brand can be hurt, and hurt badly, by those who are loyal to it bashing the competition. Any Pro staffer who bashes the competition is destined in today's market to be looking for a new home if the sponsor is savvy. If someone from the BRAND bashes the competition, they just plain are giving market share away. That's bad business and has a tremendous effect in today's 'instant info' marketplace.
It used to be perfectly legal to splash a boat hull. At one point there were 7 companies selling walleye boats with identical hulls. I watched as a Yar Craft was loaded up on a truck and sent to Texas for Skeeter to splash. That is where the hull for the 16' V came from originally. The 17' V was also a Yar Craft splash. Doesn't make them the 'same' boat. |
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Location: Land of the Musky | ckhawkeye51 - 7/26/2013 10:01 PM
James are these newer designed super D lures the ones that are currently being sold for 11.99 on the website or are these the older designs the have more of a hop?
Yes, these are the old style hop pounders. We are actually liquidating all MegaDs. Nothing wrong with them but sales of our MiniD, Reg and Mag SuperDs are about 50:1 compared to the MegaD so we don't have time to deal with the MegaDs anymore. Enjoy the savings, when they are gone they are gone... 
Thanks,
James
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| That surprises me...for whatever reason I thought the "pounder" soft plastics were the in right now for big rubber? That seems to be the only thing people talk about right now, why the lack of sales? When will your new design with the weight further back be ready for the Mag super D's? |
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Location: Land of the Musky | ckhawkeye51 - 7/27/2013 11:26 AM
That surprises me...for whatever reason I thought the "pounder" soft plastics were the in right now for big rubber? That seems to be the only thing people talk about right now, why the lack of sales? When will your new design with the weight further back be ready for the Mag super D's?
I know a lot of the hard core guys here use pounder size lures but the general musky buying public buy a lot smaller lures. My number one selling "musky" lure is the MiniD but I know lots of bass, striper, etc guys buy those. These take up a lot of room in my warehouse and shipping center too. Kind of one of those things where it takes 80% effort to make 20% of your money when I could be working on a lure that can make me 80% of my money and only take 20% effort
James
PS-Don't worry, I have over 6000 MegaD Pounders left to liquidate!!
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| Are your newly designed mag super D's currently available on your site? I thought I read earlier that you were making changes for more of a glide with your baits? |
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Location: Land of the Musky | ckhawkeye51 - 7/27/2013 12:30 PM
Are your newly designed mag super D's currently available on your site? I thought I read earlier that you were making changes for more of a glide with your baits?
Correct, the new Reg and Mag SuperDs in custom colors have the new weight system in them for more glide....Also softer plastisol.
You can see the colors at the bottom of each page:
Reg SuperDs:
http://www.tackleindustries.com/bassfishingprolure.html
Mag SuperDs:
http://www.tackleindustries.com/largemouthbasslure.html
MTO just got a full lineup of these too for their online store.
James
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| Wish I would have added a custom mag or 2 to my order today! Maybe ill get a surprise bait in my shipment lol! |
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Location: Ludington, MI | I love a gliding action. Most of my plastic is MI, but I love to see James on here giving advice and answering questions. I also fish a lot of Thunderbeasts because I think their tail is unique among the big rubber types. Too bad Storm dropped it. I'd like to see one of the other companies pick up this wider, flatter tail design.
On the subject of Bondys, The Hot Orba is in stock at Rollies. Not my thing but if you fish deep slow-rolling lures, it looks sharp.
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Location: Denmark | sworrall - 7/27/2013 9:41 AM
ARmuskyaddict - 7/24/2013 9:02 PM
Wow! Can you imagine the arguments there could be about spinnerbait and bucktail knockoffs?
Exactly.
There were Many designs of soft plastic swimbaits that go back to the 70's.
Ever look at a shelf full of crankbaits? Which one was the first to use a particular nearly identical body design? 'Nearly' is the key, a small percentage of difference is all that's required legally, and if you look carefully, the differences will stand out more than the similarities. The difference between crankbaits is very small, and it's up to the consumer to decide which to buy. Durability, action, fish catching record, customer service after the purchase, hook quality, and more....marketing lures is what it is and always has been.
Who came up with the first double bladed bucktail? Who used synthetic material for the tail first?
In the lure business BRAND has always been what makes or breaks a company. All companies have issues from time to time with a product, and customer service and a careful, steady marketing program will determine how the problems are perceived by the consumer and effect whether the majority will continue to purchase the BRAND as changes are made and new designs are introduced.
Arguing without regard to how the fishing lure business has worked since the 30's and will continue to work into the future while hollering about which was this or which was that is all about brand loyalty. A product made in the US may or may not be superior to a competing product built in another country. If it costs more and isn't superior quality, the BRAND had better be perceived as superior, or the competition will take market share. That's business, pure and simple.
Generally speaking, it's easy to tell when someone is very loyal to a brand, and that's cool, that is how things are supposed to work. One bit of info...the brand can be hurt, and hurt badly, by those who are loyal to it bashing the competition. Any Pro staffer who bashes the competition is destined in today's market to be looking for a new home if the sponsor is savvy. If someone from the BRAND bashes the competition, they just plain are giving market share away. That's bad business and has a tremendous effect in today's 'instant info' marketplace.
It used to be perfectly legal to splash a boat hull. At one point there were 7 companies selling walleye boats with identical hulls. I watched as a Yar Craft was loaded up on a truck and sent to Texas for Skeeter to splash. That is where the hull for the 16' V came from originally. The 17' V was also a Yar Craft splash. Doesn't make them the 'same' boat.
Steve,,,I am not entirely sure, what you are trying to emphasize here, but if it is, that all products are equally worthy, innovative etc, you are wrong. Some smaller US companies get brutally ripped off because of bad international copyright and patent laws.
In Europe, Okuma has just launched a 1:1 copy of the Baker Hookout. Nothing to do, because " The Baker" is only US patented.
The European result of this, I can only buy the copy now in my local store. My local store told me the Baker way too expensive to import. (and Baker looses profit ).
Morale.: If the Baker hookout had originally been made by Warner Bross, or Sony, Okuma would have been fined badly by copyright infringement laws.
Can't help to post the story of Charles Goodyear, who never got either the money, or the credit for his great invention.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Goodyear
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Location: Rhinelander, Wisconsin | 'Steve,,,I am not entirely sure, what you are trying to emphasize here, but if it is, that all products are equally worthy, innovative etc, you are wrong'
Read my post again. Didn't say or even insinuate that.
Fishing lures are not 'copyrighted', that's published stuff.
Patents are pretty much useless in the fishing lure business unless the patent applies to a feature that is extremely specific because of the small changes that will get one legally around a patent. Look it up. I think that is a wonderful thing. Gives us many choices of lure types and creates active competition for our money spent, forcing good quality and customer service coupled with fish catching qualities. If any fishing lure or tool is sub-par in the quality and fish catching department, it won't sell. If quality is too expensive for some markets to bear, that's the way it is....and someone will offer an alternative. Whether it sells or not depends on the quality and if it does what it's supposed to do.
I capitalized what I was emphasizing.
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Location: Denmark | "Patents are pretty much useless in the fishing lure business unless the patent applies to a feature that is extremely specific because of the small changes that will get one legally around a patent."
True, but it's still not a correct behavier to enrich yourself on ideas, design, and hard work of others. That's the problem of the extreeme liberalism of today, it eat itself up from the inside, and do not favor those who create those values(innovation),that has driven vestern civilisation forward for centuries.
Anyway Steve, I guess this discussion belongs to another type of forum, so let's close it here. Thanks for for your time, and tight lines.
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Location: Ludington, MI | The only fishing tackle suit I have personal knowledge of was ruled a violation of trade dress. The judge told a manufacturer of a salmon fishing rotating flasher that he could continue to make his product but it looked too much like the original product. So the alleged trade dress violator paid off the guy suing him, liquidated his remaining product, went back to the drawing board seeking a similar action with a different look and now controls the rotating flasher market on the Great Lakes. So if you love your SpinDoctors, thank a judge. |
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| Killerbug - 7/28/2013 11:25 AM
"Patents are pretty much useless in the fishing lure business unless the patent applies to a feature that is extremely specific because of the small changes that will get one legally around a patent."
True, but it's still not a correct behavier to enrich yourself on ideas, design, and hard work of others. That's the problem of the extreeme liberalism of today, it eat itself up from the inside, and do not favor those who create those values(innovation),that has driven vestern civilisation forward for centuries.
Anyway Steve, I guess this discussion belongs to another type of forum, so let's close it here. Thanks for for your time, and tight lines.
by chance the majority of the customers don't think like you.for example how your today's dawgs would be without ti? |
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| Another option is the twisted tullibee from RubberHairy Tackle its all made in the u.s.a. and is a slower working bait that works well over weeds and shallow rocks .But still has the large profiel of the double tails. |
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| MI is making 5 new baits? How many will be truly their idea? The problem with the lure industry is that people have no problem knocking off other people's hard work. So much for 'innovation' and business ethics. How about we return to what made the country great... |
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Location: Rhinelander, Wisconsin | Pick any consumer item. Electronics, fabrics, any fishing gear, any hunting gear, anything you wish...and tell me there are not MANY more models by other brands similar to the 'original'. And if you look around, you will find similar products existed on the market many times before the 'original' brand mass produced their products.
I wouldn't be real keen on only 'allowing' (have to be government agency enforcing, no other way) one manufacturer of any similar consumer item, that didn't work very well for some countries.
Patents, copyrights, and trademarks all are designed to allow for innovative ideas to create profits while at the same time encouraging competition. Anyone entering the fishing tackle business with the goal of building a strong National Brand already knew the rules of the game before entering the market. |
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| landry even if you dont sell them can you post some pics of your creation? |
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| Guest - 8/3/2013 11:32 AM
MI is making 5 new baits? How many will be truly their idea? The problem with the lure industry is that people have no problem knocking off other people's hard work. So much for 'innovation' and business ethics. How about we return to what made the country great...
i would like to see a mi deep jigging baits,because there is plenty of place for improvements.
out of the big co mi is one them who copy the less.
on the other side you have drifter with their top 3 biggest seller which are copy,but some have been improved compared to the original so personally i have no problem for it but for the creator it must be really frustrating.
so the tips of the day is improve or die there is no place for laziness |
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| Are the MI's US made baits made from Chinese parts or US parts? |
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