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| Hi Guys:
We have been fishing the NW Angle of LOTW now for 12 years. We have been fishing further north each year. Up past Wiley Point, Crow Rock Island, Fraiser Island area, etc.
We are looking to hire a guide for the first time and wondering who knows that water well up there?
Doug Johnson, if you are reading this, please send me a Private Message as we would like to hit the Angle with you for a day too.
Thanks -Midge |
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Location: Lake Country, Wisconsin | Nate Andrychuk works out of Wiley and guides...I don't know how they handle guide trips for non guests but he would be a guy worth asking.
Also the Figure 8 baits store in Kenora would be another good place to ask...I'm sure some of those guys either guide or know of some good options. 807-468-3762 |
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| Bill Sandy would be a good option. i know he goes all over the place. |
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| My name is joe cooper. Born and raised on the lake, it is my life and passion. May not have as much experience as Doug Johnson or bill sandy but I guarantee we will have a great time. 2182803734 |
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Location: Leech Lake, Walker MN | Doug or bill are the best
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| I have known Joe Cooper since he was a kid. I have no doubt he would provide anyone with a good guide trip. I fish with him the winter and muskies are what we talk about. |
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| See what happens when I don't where my reading glasses. Can't even spell my name. |
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| Give Cooper a call. He knows his way around real well, will put you on fish, and you will have a great time. I really enjoyed fishing with him last summer. I think we put fish in the boat every time we went out. |
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| Dan Gibbins still on the lake? |
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| Curious to why you want a guide for that section? Sounds like you are familiar with the woods and its structure. My thoughts are to break it down that section, the same way you have on other sections. The guide might put you on some fish but unless he let's you waypoint his spots I don't know how you are going to come back to the majority of them. And I don't think he would be too hip on you burning his spots. I would rather take a guy like sandy or Walsh and let him put you on the bite no matter if its east, west or north.
Maybe you have other reasons, I'm just curious to what those are?
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Location: Warroad, Mn | Let me explain a little about LOTWs guiding. It's not as simple as jumping in a boat and saying I'm now a guide. First both Bill Sandy and Frank Walsh are not only guides, but resort owners, and unless you are staying at their resort they won't guide you, That may explain Midges problem. Then if you are a US citizen it's against Canadian Immigration rules to guide out of a Canadian based resort. You also need a US Coast Guard 6-pack licence for LOTWs to be able to pass that requirement. This also helps you obtain commercial insurance, which is necessary. Then as a US citizen guiding in Canada you need to obtain a seasonal work permit which is issued by Canadian Immigrations ($150.00). To get this you need to be sponsered by a US resort, and allows you to guide out of that resort only. It is possible, but very dificult to get a free lance guide work permit that allows you to guide out of any US based resort, but it's much harder and you need to prove that your guiding is benifiting Canada (lure and bait purchses, food purchases, etc.) I don't think the Canadians are issuing these any more. Years ago if you really worked at it you could as a US citizen get a seasonal work permit to guide out of a Canadian resort, but it took lots of letters by both the guide and the resort to "Work Canada" to prove that you would be of great benifit to the Canadian resort. They would make a recommendation to Canadian Immigration who would issue the work permit. All in all unless the client is staying at a US resort that the guide is licenced for it's hard for a US citizen to legally guide in Canadian waters. There are very few free lance muskie guides on the US side of the LOTWs. Doug Johnson
Edited by dougj 5/16/2013 10:34 AM
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Location: Minnetonka | dougj - 5/16/2013 10:28 AM
Let me explain a little about LOTWs guiding. It's not as simple as jumping in a boat and saying I'm now a guide. First both Bill Sandy and Frank Walsh are not only guides, but resort owners, and unless you are staying at their resort they won't guide you, That may explain Midges problem. Then if you are a US citizen it's against Canadian Immigration rules to guide out of a Canadian based resort. You also need a US Coast Guard 6-pack licence for LOTWs to be able to pass that requirement. This also helps you obtain commercial insurance, which is necessary. Then as a US citizen guiding in Canada you need to obtain a seasonal work permit which is issued by Canadian Immigrations ($150.00). To get this you need to be sponsered by a US resort, and allows you to guide out of that resort only. It is possible, but very dificult to get a free lance guide work permit that allows you to guide out of any US based resort, but it's much harder and you need to prove that your guiding is benifiting Canada (lure and bait purchses, food purchases, etc.) I don't think the Canadians are issuing these any more. Years ago if you really worked at it you could as a US citizen get a seasonal work permit to guide out of a Canadian resort, but it took lots of letters by both the guide and the resort to "Work Canada" to prove that you would be of great benifit to the Canadian resort. They would make a recommendation to Canadian Immigration who would issue the work permit. All in all unless the client is staying at a US resort that the guide is licenced for it's hard for a US citizen to legally guide in Canadian waters. There are very few free lance muskie guides on the US side of the LOTWs. Doug Johnson
Thanks DougJ.
EXPERIENCE would be the #1 quality I look for in a LOTW guide. |
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| lotwnut -
Yes, I know the lake very well all the way from about Sandy's Island up to Crow Rock Island. The reason for wanting a guide is not for them to "show me their spots," but rather to see how they think.
We have days on LOTW that are outstanding where we put multiple fish over 40" in the boat and have 20+ follows. Then the next day, without an obvious weather change, we may not do squat. Be lucky to see a fish or two.
Let's face it, some days out there it's like fishing in an aquarium and you see fish on almost every spot you fish. It's the days when the fish are in hiding or have lock jaw that we want to know if we are doing something wrong and how to change it up.
So being able to fish with a Doug Johnson, Dick Pearson, or Bill Sandy, with all the experience they have they may think outside the box and perhaps move deeper off the structure, fish mid lake reefs, downsize, fish the slop, figure 8 differently, etc.
Those are our reasons for wanting to fish with a guide this year, not for them to show any "secret spots."
I honestly could care less if a guide actually put me on fish, let's face it, sometimes the fish just don't coorperate no matter how hard or what you try. I'm fishing with a guide to pick their brain and gain some knowledge and if I learn one thing that may help me put fish in the boat in the future, that's knowledge I will have for the rest of my life and is priceless.
Midge |
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| Joe Cooper meets all the legal requirements. He fishes in, on, hunts, and sleeps on Lake of the Woods. He throws a lure that looks like something out of a horror movie, so you don't have to worry about hiring a guide who will throw cowgirls in front of you  He is definitely a guide who uses different, unorthodox tactics and puts a lot of fish in the boat doing it. |
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Location: Leech Lake, Walker MN | Well said DJ |
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| At my cabin at the Angle right now. From what I understand there will be an increased presence of the U.S. Coast Guard and Lake of the Woods County Sheriif this summer patrolling the Minnesota side. |
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Location: Elgin, IL | Great answer Midge. Good luck this summer. |
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Location: Cave Run Lake KY. | Dan Klis - 5/18/2013 8:47 AM
At my cabin at the Angle right now. From what I understand there will be an increased presence of the U.S. Coast Guard and Lake of the Woods County Sheriif this summer patrolling the Minnesota side. +++++++++++++++ How can I get into the Coast Guard and be stationed at the northwest Angle |
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| No one would fish with you if you're in the coast guard. Just come up here. |
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Location: Cave Run Lake KY. | NWAguide - 5/18/2013 8:00 PM
No one would fish with you if you're in the coast guard. Just come up here. Just come up here? not talking about that , I am up there a lot started fishing LOTW out of Sandy's in 1963 and spent many 10 day weeks there and have fished out of every major Town except Kenora- Clearwater,area and I don't care if no one would fish with me . What I am saying if I was in the Cost Guard and got stationed at Northwest Angle it would be a dream port to be stationed at. Not sure what you are getting at. Marv. |
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| Just joking around. Its a coast guard vs. guide type thing. The coast guard port is in warroad tho not the angle. |
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Location: Cave Run Lake KY. | I missed one Worroad, never fished out of there, all thow When my brother in law lived in International Falls we tried to duck hunt there once did not work out at all. I was just joking around also . Living in Daniel Boone National Forest we have to put up with Forest Rangers, those guys are tough. Take Care, Good fishing to you. Marv. |
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