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Location: minocqua, wi. | anyone rig a hookless sucker and get the fish into the net?
who does it?
what does your sucker-rigging look like?
interested in anyone who does this regularly willing to share how they fair with the technique. |
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| A bunch of years ago, The Milwaukee Chapter of MI had a speaker from up around your area give a talk on this very subject. I don't remember his name. As I recall, he used 100 pound flouro, and just tied it through the nostrils of the sucker. I don't recall the knot he used. I do recall he said it was much like using circle hooks, as you waited for the fish to swallow the suckker all the way, and then just reeled it in. |
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Larry Dahlberg filmed doing this on one of his shows last year.
I think he was fishing with Josh Bovrosky?
If I recall correctly, they looped line through the nose too.
I don't think they waited for the muskies to swallow sucker though.
You just don't horse on them and they don't let go.
I know we've caught muskies in the past that were never hooked up, they just wouldn't let go of the sucker.
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Location: minocqua, wi. | that's what i was thinking JS ...
i also saw a show done by either WI or MN public Television chronicalling the lifetime relationship between a guide and client where they were rigging suckers like live jerk-baits and it was uncanny how many times a fish would come back and grab the same sucker. in that one they used hooks on a rig they blacked out.
anyway, with water temps. coming down it's time to think about sucker fishing and thought i'd give some thought to playing the game with a twist this fall.
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Location: Smith Creek | Narrated by Randy Travis? Turtle Flowage guide, was it Sleight or Sutherland? Fishing with Mrs. Rita Hillenbrand. I can't remember which. They used suckers year round, casted and retrieved after the sucker died. Put more 50lbers in the boat than Gelb.
I too have caught fish that just wouldn't let go. One was 36" caught on a 19" walleye, in early May. |
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Location: minocqua, wi. | that's the one ... i think it was Sleight
had the sucker set up where it was like a twitch/jerk-bait ... awesome show!!
http://www.lakelandtimes.com/main.asp?SectionID=13&SubSectionID=13&...
i'll keep searching to try to find a dvd copy, but if someone can help me with a short-cut please do.
Edited by jonnysled 8/17/2012 12:57 PM
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| Would it be legal to double line in MN if you didn't put hooks in them? |
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| I'd wait until the sucker is swallowed. Then ease, I say, eaaaase the fish up. With the freespool on. If the fish wants to make a run let it, just keep the line tight-ish.
You''d be amazed how far you can eaaaaase a fish to the boat if you don't pull too hard or make any sudden movements. |
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Location: Minneapolis | Saw a segment on tv where the guy used a cane pole and rope tied to the sucker and slowly eased it into the net. |
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Location: Maine Township, MN | Nolan - 8/17/2012 1:21 PM
Would it be legal to double line in MN if you didn't put hooks in them?
If you can angle with a separate rod in a spear house with a live decoy in the winter, I wouldn't see why not?
Edited by nocturnalmotors 8/17/2012 1:36 PM
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| does sucker coaxing really sound fun to anyone? no hookset, takes who knows how long for them to swallow the sucker, then you gotta play them so gently? pretty much takes out all the fun parts of the whole deal.
i coax the smaller fish in that i don't want to waste my sucker on, PITA! different strokes though for different folkes I guess. |
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Location: Smith Creek | HOOKED!
is the name of the movie, the DVD is sold for $24.95 at the retail store in PF.
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Location: Madtown, WI | Yeah, I think you'd have to wait until it's swallowed. Seems like most of the fish I've caught, the sucker doesn't make it to the net or at least still isn't in the fishes mouth. I'm sure that has a lot to do with setting the hook and the fight, but I just don't see them holding onto it as you ease them into the net after 15 minutes of chasing them around. I'm sure it could work, but at a better % than a quick strike?
Double 150+ pound mono, wait till they swallow, then reel them in. All you have to do is cut the leader and pull the other end through. Sounds great in theory. Dad use to tell me that it takes 1 cigarette for them to swallow.... looks like I should take up smoking again. |
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Location: minocqua, wi. | i'm more interested in the bringing them to the net earlier than waiting for a swallow although that would work, i would expect there is some mortality risk even in pulling something back out of the stomach??...
second thing i'm interested in is the live sucker jerk-bait game as shown in the video described above called "Hooked" ...
pretty interesting stuff at least to me.
the part of the MN extra line is not something i expected to see as a tangent, but interesting thought. |
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| We've caught several over the years on suckers that were not never hooked. Back when single hooks were the thing to do if we had one on we'd pull it up to look at it to see if it was worth the time waiting for the musky to swallow it, otherwise we'd just try to reel them in and net them. The thing about doing it that way is that they don't even fight. So, it's kinda pointless to me. |
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| Suckers are soft spined fish, so no real risk of injuring a fish if swallowed and it comes out.
I remember my first fish on St Claire. a 4 footer on a 10" Believer. Hit the bait trolling at 5 MPH, drag sreaming run, and tailwalked a couple hundred feet out from the boat. Got the fish to the boat, had the Believer t-boned from the side, and just as the guide went to net it, it simply opened it's mouth and the lure floated out. The fish was gone with one flip of the tail. Never had a hook in it. The fish just hung on to that lure through all that. Powerful creatures! |
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| http://www.muskymystique.com/story.html#record
This guy has 3 world records for catching muskies without hooks....the record looks very beatable |
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Location: Manitowish Waters WI |
It was defiantly old man sleight, heard many stories of the old casting suckers. |
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Location: Minneapolis, MN | Fishing legend Dan Gapen wrote a chapter in his book "River Predators" about dead sucker fishing (he called it "sucker skipping"). He also describes how Les Sandy used a hookless technique. Interesting stuff. |
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| Is this thread for real?? C'mon man, if you are concerned about injury to a fish that swallows a live sucker WITHOUT hooks we have hit the pincal of over the top concern for fish health. You folks need to find a new hobby, maybe you can start deer hunting with rubber bullets and suction cup arrows. I'm going to stick with some 6/0 on my suckers. |
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| It's all about the challenge figuree... You can catch em with hooks? I can catch em without sort of a deal so beat that.
I think its awesome and we're going to try it this fall. Its like gun hunting and bow hunting. Bow hunting is more of a challenge and more of a rush. Lots of room for errors, but the challenge is what keeps us coming back |
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Location: Anoka | Have done it several times on lake harriot in Minneapolis at night they will hit them and hold on
And drag them right into the net most the time they will peel out at the last second but it's fun
Catching a Muskie with no hooks |
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