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Location: Maine Township, MN | I'm interested in any research that has been done on this topic. I think it would be beneficial to know what colors can be viewed by fish at different water clarities and depths.
I've always heard that greens and oranges are the best, but why? |
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Location: Lake "y" cause lake"x" got over fished | I am going to add a little question to this as well because I am also curious.
Because fish can see in the UV light spectrum, one would guess that not only certain colors look brighter, but some must look different? For example I have heard that red turns black under the water or at least that's how fish see it. So what colors are seen best and do they change? |
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| thers been a fair amount of research done theres a bunch of articles... google muskies and color and you will get a lot of info sit back and read |
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Location: Maine Township, MN | Here's a link to some good fundamental info from Wiki: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Underwater_vision |
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| I can tell you this from a divers view. It's a bit complicated. A lot has to do with available light level, Depth, water clarity and water color. Red has the shortest wave length, and can start looking like something other than red just a few feet below the surface. I've touched on the subject before, and toyed with the idea of revisiting it, but most folks just get that glazed over look. How much interest is out there? |
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Location: Lake "y" cause lake"x" got over fished | jim K - 7/10/2012 4:56 PM
I can tell you this from a divers view. It's a bit complicated. A lot has to do with available light level, Depth, water clarity and water color. Red has the shortest wave length, and can start looking like something other than red just a few feet below the surface. I've touched on the subject before, and toyed with the idea of revisiting it, but most folks just get that glazed over look. How much interest is out there?
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I have a lot of interest! |
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Location: Rhinelander, Wisconsin | Jim, alot. I did a ton of work over the years pre-internet getting the process easier to understand (because of the multiple variables), and frequently revisit the subject.
maybe we should fire up the MuskieFIRST chat room for an online seminar, and bring you and a couple other folks in as expert guests. |
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| I think this and the "UV colors" thing sort of run together. There is a lot of things that are misunderstood on the topic.
I'm not quite sure what a UV color is, but I understand UV light. Paint or a surface that holds it's color when a blacklight is used is said to be fluorescent.
I'll try to do something on this. |
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| At the website WWW.tacklemaking.com , they have a topic about the color spectrum. I remember some time ago red was the popular color for fishing line. Fish couldn't see it. But red lures were being thrown. Seems contradictory. Last year I had been fishing in a very dark section of the lake I fish , I brought a Muskie back two times to the boat with a solid blue metallic bait. Blue being a color for deeper water, Supposedly |
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Location: Eastern Ontario | Supposedly muskies can't see blue to them it appears grey, and red is filtered out first and appears as grey maybe all we need are grey lures OR BLACK. Immagine the hit to the economy if we decided we only needed 100 lures in one colour instead of 100 lures in 8 different colours. |
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Location: Syracuse, Indiana | A good book on this topic (although directed more at salmonids) is "What Fish See". |
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Location: NorthCentral WI | If I remember right isn't Firetiger the most visible pattern under any conditions?
http://www.mepps.com/fishing-article/color-technology-what-you-see-...
Edited by MartinTD 7/11/2012 7:23 AM
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Location: Maine Township, MN | Great discussion. As a novice in this subject, I'm interested to learn more. |
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Location: Maplewood, MN | I have wondered the same thing. Do certain colors 'change' to the eye of a fish compared to what we see?
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| Why are bucktails with red blades/red skirts or copper blades/red skirts productive in tea-stained (reddish) water? |
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Location: Black Creek, WI | catchandrelease - 7/11/2012 9:32 AM Why are bucktails with red blades/red skirts or copper blades/red skirts productive in tea-stained (reddish) water? My take on the qeustion is this. The dissolved solids in the water are REFLECTING the color red, not absorbing it.... so there is more RED light available in the water for your RED lure to reflect. Thus, your red lure is "brighter" in tannic stained water than in other waters. just a hunch.... |
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| jlong is headed in the right direction. Particulate in the water reflects light and can make colors seem closer to what they appear on the surface. A white bottom,sand or shell will also help. seems weird, but stained water is actually often brighter than clear |
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Location: Rhinelander, Wisconsin | Keep in mind that at any particular depth only the available wavelength after refraction and absorption can be reflected by particulate. |
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| This is all true. There also times where a fish may see a color from a distance and look a different color ( due to the water that has filtered the color ) and charge hard only when it gets closer the color has changed then turn off due to the color has changed to something it did not like/ relate to. |
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Location: Pigeon Forge TN. | Jlong is very right on the red.
A lot of things are involved to decide which color can be seen the best under different circumstances and that includes water color, the lighting of the day such as clear, sunny, cloudy, dark shaded. White, Yellow, and the florescent colors will hold better on the days light cycles with different water colors and clarity.
Can be a complicated process for sure.
Also dcates has given a good hint. I also have the book of "What Fish See Best"
Written by; Colin J. Kageyama, O.D. Whom is also a fisherman and lure designer for Mepps/Mister Twister.
Jlong and I had a great discussion on the board about colors and light long ago.
Jason knows what he is talking about and I am only a painter, but the discussion was a good one.
Edited by Stan Durst 1 7/12/2012 8:17 AM
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Location: Oconto Falls, WI | sworrall - 7/10/2012 5:08 PM
Jim, alot. I did a ton of work over the years pre-internet getting the process easier to understand (because of the multiple variables), and frequently revisit the subject.
Steve is any of your work or findings from the past accessible via the internet (i.e. links), or is it all in paper form that would have to be scanned? There hasn't been much in the way of data/info offered up in the thread thus far, and I am interested in this topic as well. |
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Location: Black Creek, WI | Here is an old article of mine that touched upon this subject matter. Yah yah... its old stuff... so ignore the photos... heh heh heh. The science, however, has not changed. http://www.forciersguideservice.com/pages/posts/a-question-of-clarity16.php It took 10 years for my friends to stop joking about the Purkinje Shift... but its legit  http://www.forciersguideservice.com/pages/posts/color-concepts14.php |
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Location: Pigeon Forge TN. | Lets try these photos;
First picture is a set of colors glued to a bright red board and in full sunlight.
Picture below it is at depth of two feet in a swimming pool.
On the set of three pictures notice the different colors on a white background and a black background.
First one in sunlight,
2nd one is in GREEN water at ten feet,
and third is the same board in same water at 40 feet.
Give an example of what happens to the colors in different colored water and contrast of days.
I think this will bring back the Purkinje Shift in some truth.
Jlong, don't let me get stuck here alone my man, I am with you here.
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| I seem to remember a study that first classified water into several shade patterns: Blue, black, green, yellow. brown. This is the tint of the water, and it made the same color show differently depending on the water. Fire orange turned either white, pink, or brown, for instance. From what I gathered, contrast was more important than color, which is why Firetiger is so good. |
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