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| I picked up some 100lb Vanish Fluoro and a pair of heavy crimping pliers. I'm having troubles figuring out where to order my crimps from. The dia is .041" in or 1.04mm and I found some crimps online that will work, but I don't want to order 100 of them and have them be too tight or loose.
So, I'm assuming I double my leader to 2.08mm and order single crimps for that size or order double slot crimps that fit.
What do you guys suggest for online companies, double or single crimps, and size of crimps? Also, I need to order snaps and ball bearing swivels...
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Location: Green Bay, WI | I used to get all my stuff locally here in Green Bay, but the place went out of business. So I need to find another source as well. But I have used these folks for some stuff and they are excellent:
http://www.malolotackle.com/term.htmls
Give them a call and ask what size you should choose. They have always been very helpful and their prices are very good, with super fast shipping.
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| Here's some good info: http://www.leadertec.com/tipsandtechniques/crimp_techniques.html |
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| Thanks for the info guys..
The leadertec site is really helpful |
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Location: Detroit River | I got mine from Musky Tackle Online. Mini Double Barrel Copper Sleeves Size C. I also got the crimping pliers.
http://www.muskytackleonline.com/acatalog/copy_of_Leader_Making_Sup...
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Location: sneaking out to get on the water ;-) | I would get the double barrel crimp sleeves for fluoro.I've been using mason brand for the last two seasons with no issues yet.Make sure you get the rite crimping pliers.For the snaps and swivels I use stringease stay-lok snaps and their dual rotating ball bearing swivels.Berkley also makes nice snaps.Russ |
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| Thanks.
I'll be making some phone calls tomorrow. I would like to use double barrel sleeves, but I don't think I can with the point-to-cup crimping pliers I have. I'm thinking oval ones from MTO or Malolo tackle and seeing how they work this year.
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Location: Green Bay, WI | wicked - 5/14/2012 12:18 PM
I would get the double barrel crimp sleeves for fluoro.I've been using mason brand for the last two seasons with no issues yet.Make sure you get the rite crimping pliers.For the snaps and swivels I use stringease stay-lok snaps and their dual rotating ball bearing swivels.Berkley also makes nice snaps.Russ
Excellent advice...on the double-barrel sleeves. I've been crimping leaders for about 20 years, and I cannot think of one instance where I wanted to use a single-barrel sleeve over a double. In my opinion you couldn't go wrong if you simply forgot you'd ever seen anything BUT a double-barrel crimp, and only buy that. Ever.
Your mileage may vary, of course.
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| True, but won't crimping the double barrel sleeves with a point-to-cup crimping pliers pinch the inside of the sleeve more and not secure it very well along the edges? I was under the impression I needed a cup-to-cup pliers for double sleeves.
Unless I crimp with my pliers in the middle and flatten the sides with a vise-grip. That sounds a little on the risky side as far as integrity of the leader though... |
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Location: Green Bay, WI | You do want "cup to cup" crimping pliers. And you don't want to crimp right to the very edge of the sleeve. In fact if you look at the edges of the jaws on a decent crimping pliers, they will be chamfered so that when you squeeze the sleeve, the very edge is NOT crimped. This is good, as it avoids cutting into the leader material. So there will be a slight flare at either end of the sleeve, and then the rest of it is crimped together.
For giggles, take a look at this document on page 7-33 (Figure 7-14):
http://www.airweb.faa.gov/Regulatory_and_Guidance_Library/rgAdvisor...
It is a manual for aircraft mechanics, but it also illustrates very nicely the technique you should use for crimping sleeves on leaders. These techniques are one in the same, except that the sleeves used in making leaders aren't really long enough to get THREE crimps on it. I can get two at most. So I crimp the first time nearest the loop ('2' in the figure), and then crimp the other end after that ('3' in the figure). Works like a charm. Just make sure your crimping pliers doesn't crimp right at the very edge of the sleeve.
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| 100lb fluoro is very tie-able. Even a dummy like me can tie 130. I'd still go for the crimping option so you have a backup, but give tying a try before you write it off as an option. Depending on the brand/stiffness you bought, you might even get a palomar to work for 100. |
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Location: Tennessee | I would give it a try, tying it straight on. Comes in very handy if you get snagged up, as you will be able with the proper knot, to reel right up to the lure and have a easier time working it free. |
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Location: Eagan, MN | Wood_Duck - 5/15/2012 9:30 AM
I would give it a try, tying it straight on. Comes in very handy if you get snagged up, as you will be able with the proper knot, to reel right up to the lure and have a easier time working it free.
You might end up getting your tip guide caught on a hook, and now you have not only your lure snagged, but also your rod.
Sweet Dirty Harry adaptation, though. |
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| Buy your sleeves three times the line diameter......push the tag end back up into the sleeve and crimp.....will not even pull out before crimping..... 9 over 50... one week one leader,,,good luck... |
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Location: musky waters , WI | Use a nail knot tool and tie line directly to swivel and snap. I've had floro leaders break were the were crimped. Floro bends wrong when fighting fish and rubbs the metal edge of crimp and there you go lost fish and bait. I tie mine direct that's just me though. |
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| Use berkely big game mono.........flouro sucks and is a fish killer....various diameters to change lure depth without changing line out,,,, |
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Location: Green Bay, WI | Rick Wolff - 5/16/2012 6:07 PM
Use berkely big game mono.........flouro sucks and is a fish killer....various diameters to change lure depth without changing line out,,,,
When I was a wee lad, my dad only used mono to make our own leaders--this was long before the days of Fluoro. We did just fine indeed. I think we used about 100 pound test as I recall, and all knots were tied as he knew nothing about crimps. So I wouldn't be afraid of regular mono at all.
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Location: Michigan | 130 lb fluoro as a min, aluminum oval sleeves, chaffing springs, crimped with a cup to cup. 5+ years with hundreds if not 1000+ "in the field", and no failures. I much prefer aluminum with Fluoro, and use copper double barrel with 7/49 strand. IMOHO, copper can cut in to Fluoro more readily than aluminum, especially if not crimped correctly.
I use Malolo Tackle as well for some components. Stealth Tackle is a good place to get components if you don't just outright buy Johns leadeers!
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Location: Tennessee | That's a very nice looking leader |
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| TB- Thanks, but I already purchased the point-to-cup crimping pliers and I can't afford to buy another pair right now. Even though I would prefer double barrel crimps.
muskie-addict- I thought about doing this but I have heard horror stories with knots working themselves loose on large diameter fluoro(maybe they didn't know how to tie). I would prefer crimps.
Rick Wolff- I think I'm going to order based on your recommendations, and you're right one week away I have to get my sh** together!
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Location: Green Bay, WI | Chasin50 - 5/17/2012 5:39 AM
130 lb fluoro as a min, aluminum oval sleeves, chaffing springs, crimped with a cup to cup. 5+ years with hundreds if not 1000+ "in the field", and no failures. I much prefer aluminum with Fluoro, and use copper double barrel with 7/49 strand. IMOHO, copper can cut in to Fluoro more readily than aluminum, especially if not crimped correctly.
I use Malolo Tackle as well for some components. Stealth Tackle is a good place to get components if you don't just outright buy Johns leadeers!
Yes, a very nice looking leader indeed. Everyone should note the "flare" on the edges of the sleeves. This is excellent, as there is really no way that the crimp has caused a stress riser in the leader material. The only things I do differently that pictured here, is crimp slightly closer to the sleeve edges, and I also apply a second sleeve to each end. I just leave a longer tag end, and apply a second sleeve. But this is more of an experiment on my part though, and it most likely overkill to the n'th degree...lol. But Chasin50 has done a very nice job with this leader!
I will dig out a leader I made and take a couple pictures to post. I am going fishing with Jerry Newman this afternoon (!) so I'll try to dig out my leader making equipment before I go, as I'll want to take a couple along.
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