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Message Subject: TI 9ft Mh & XH capabilities
MuskieCat94
Posted 5/12/2012 10:45 AM (#559385)
Subject: TI 9ft Mh & XH capabilities




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Location: Ogden, UTAH 10 minutes from pineview reservoir
Just curious what can the 9ft TI MH and XH can handle. Can it throw 10s, 3-4 oz spinnerbaits, and big lipped 3-5 oz cranks, and 4-6 oz gliders? Askking those of you who use one and throw similar lures. Whats the biggest stuff you throw and feel comfortable throwing..
kevin cochran
Posted 5/12/2012 10:49 AM (#559387 - in reply to #559385)
Subject: Re: TI 9ft Mh capabilities




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Location: Bemidji
I throw small stuff with my MH. Musky Candy, small spinnerbaits, Rabid Squirrels etc. I wouldnt throw anything over 5oz.
XH work for throwing anything up to 8oz in my opinion. Mag dawgs are a little much for it. They can cast them but load pretty heavy.
MuskieCat94
Posted 5/12/2012 11:10 AM (#559390 - in reply to #559385)
Subject: RE: TI 9ft Mh & XH capabilities




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Location: Ogden, UTAH 10 minutes from pineview reservoir
Just to clarify i hardly through heavier baits 4-6 oz, will mostly throw double 8's and cranks.
Mullhead
Posted 5/12/2012 11:19 AM (#559393 - in reply to #559390)
Subject: RE: TI 9ft Mh & XH capabilities





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Location: VA
Get the xh 3-12oz. Perfect for double 8's to mag dawgs. Small gliders no problem either.
archerynut36
Posted 5/12/2012 11:38 AM (#559396 - in reply to #559393)
Subject: RE: TI 9ft Mh & XH capabilities





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Location: syracuse indiana
Mullhead - 5/12/2012 12:19 PM

Get the xh 3-12oz. Perfect for double 8's to mag dawgs. Small gliders no problem either.

yep, yep
pamuskyhunter
Posted 5/12/2012 12:55 PM (#559400 - in reply to #559393)
Subject: RE: TI 9ft Mh & XH capabilities





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Location: big cove tannery pa

Mullhead - 5/11/2012 12:19 PM Get the xh 3-12oz. Perfect for double 8's to mag dawgs. Small gliders no problem either.

 

TI XH can handle anything from 1/4 up to 15oz. It loads up a good bit though with anything over 10 oz's

kodiak
Posted 5/13/2012 7:16 PM (#559561 - in reply to #559385)
Subject: Re: TI 9ft Mh & XH capabilities





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Location: Okoboji
Hey bro last I knew u were getting a nasty
Mr Musky
Posted 5/14/2012 4:18 PM (#559740 - in reply to #559385)
Subject: Re: TI 9ft Mh & XH capabilities





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you can definitely throw anything from mepps marabous' to pounders w/it.
catchandrelease
Posted 5/14/2012 8:41 PM (#559780 - in reply to #559385)
Subject: Re: TI 9ft Mh & XH capabilities




The XH maxes out on Mag Dawgs for my level of comfort. I've thrown Mega D's already, but I wouldn't want to do it very often. Even a Mag Dawg loads a little too much for my liking. It really comes down to personal preference.
Mr Musky
Posted 5/15/2012 10:42 AM (#559872 - in reply to #559385)
Subject: Re: TI 9ft Mh & XH capabilities





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Throwing a mag dawg is how you want that rod to load, the rod is doing the work for you while casting!! Also they stay loaded up beautifully while fighting a fish.
kodiak
Posted 5/15/2012 11:30 AM (#559885 - in reply to #559385)
Subject: Re: TI 9ft Mh & XH capabilities





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Location: Okoboji
if you want a medium action rod, then go for it.
bowhunter29
Posted 5/15/2012 12:36 PM (#559901 - in reply to #559385)
Subject: Re: TI 9ft Mh & XH capabilities





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Location: South-Central PA
kodiak, why the negativity every time someone asks about TI?

jeremy
curleytail
Posted 5/15/2012 1:45 PM (#559922 - in reply to #559385)
Subject: Re: TI 9ft Mh & XH capabilities




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Location: Hayward, WI
I've thrown Pounders and other 15-16 oz. baits with my 9' XH TI. It does it, but you are lobbing the bait more than throwing it. I bought the XXH for a dedicated Pounder rod this year. However, I agree with Mr. Musky that the XH is very well suited to Mag Dawg sized, 8 ounce baits. It loads well and is very easy on the angler to cast 6-8 oz baits on this rod. Also does a good job throwing Cowgirls, but if you gave me a choice to cast a Cowgirl or an 8 oz. Hardhead all day, I would pick the heavier Hardhead hands down.

Tucker
MuskieCat94
Posted 5/15/2012 1:56 PM (#559924 - in reply to #559922)
Subject: Re: TI 9ft Mh & XH capabilities




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Location: Ogden, UTAH 10 minutes from pineview reservoir
My question is whats the max you think you could throw on the mh? rod would serve mainly as a blade rod nothing bigger then double 8's and 3 oz spinnerbaits, but we seldomnly throw a bigger crank up to 4.5 oz.. Whats the max the mh can handle?
kodiak
Posted 5/15/2012 6:03 PM (#559970 - in reply to #559901)
Subject: Re: TI 9ft Mh & XH capabilities





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Location: Okoboji
bowhunter29 - 5/15/2012 12:36 PM

kodiak, why the negativity every time someone asks about TI?

jeremy


The op is a good friend of mine.....I don't think he wants a medium action rod....he is looking for a fast or extra fast action
figureight
Posted 5/15/2012 11:15 PM (#560030 - in reply to #559385)
Subject: Re: TI 9ft Mh & XH capabilities




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Location: Toronto
The XH whips out mags with ease. I've thrown pounders with it but you'd probably want a bit stiffer rod as a dedicated pounder / big rubber rod.
bowhunter29
Posted 5/16/2012 8:12 AM (#560061 - in reply to #559970)
Subject: Re: TI 9ft Mh & XH capabilities





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kodiak - 5/15/2012 7:03 PM

bowhunter29 - 5/15/2012 12:36 PM

kodiak, why the negativity every time someone asks about TI?

jeremy


The op is a good friend of mine.....I don't think he wants a medium action rod....he is looking for a fast or extra fast action


He came on here and asked about TI rods, so people are answering his questions.

For clarification: TI rods are not medium action- there is no such thing (I think you meant to say moderate). However, TI rods are a moderate-fast action. Powers are listed in the following order: ultra-light, light, medium-light, medium, medium-heavy, heavy, extra-heavy, etc. Actions are listed as follows: slow, moderate, moderate-fast, fast, extra-fast, etc. Most fishermen and many rod companies accidentally interchange these terms which makes things difficult for custom rod builders. The best company I've seen at keeping the terms straight is St. Croix. I'm not trying to be a know-it-all, this was something that I had to learn myself when I started building rods. Just trying to do my part to pass along knowledge that was given to me.

jeremy
kodiak
Posted 5/17/2012 7:25 AM (#560262 - in reply to #560061)
Subject: Re: TI 9ft Mh & XH capabilities





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Location: Okoboji
bowhunter29 - 5/16/2012 8:12 AM

kodiak - 5/15/2012 7:03 PM

bowhunter29 - 5/15/2012 12:36 PM

kodiak, why the negativity every time someone asks about TI?

jeremy


The op is a good friend of mine.....I don't think he wants a medium action rod....he is looking for a fast or extra fast action


He came on here and asked about TI rods, so people are answering his questions.

For clarification: TI rods are not medium action- there is no such thing (I think you meant to say moderate). However, TI rods are a moderate-fast action. Powers are listed in the following order: ultra-light, light, medium-light, medium, medium-heavy, heavy, extra-heavy, etc. Actions are listed as follows: slow, moderate, moderate-fast, fast, extra-fast, etc. Most fishermen and many rod companies accidentally interchange these terms which makes things difficult for custom rod builders. The best company I've seen at keeping the terms straight is St. Croix. I'm not trying to be a know-it-all, this was something that I had to learn myself when I started building rods. Just trying to do my part to pass along knowledge that was given to me.

jeremy



well can you please clairify to me when i read medium on the product description what that means...? if it is moderate how come that isnt what it says then? not trashing anything...i KNOW he wants a fast action rod.



"Mag Heavy" XH Power Rods: Retail $149.95
- Rod length is 8' or 9'
- Lure weight rated: 3-12oz
- Line weight rated: 60-130lb
- Power: XH or Extra Heavy
- Speed/Action: Medium Fast
- Rod weight (8')9.9oz or (9')10.1oz
- Application: Heavy swimbaits, double #10 and #13 bucktails, trolling, topwaters, small/medium jerkbaits

MH Power Rods: Retail $145.95
- Rod length is 8' or 9'
- Lure weight rated: 1-6oz
- Line weight rated: 30-60lb
- Power: MH or Medium Heavy
- Speed/Action: Medium
- Rod weight (8')9.4oz or (9')9.7oz
- Application: Bass and Musky swimbaits, double #10 bucktails, crankbaits, trolling, topwaters
jackson
Posted 5/17/2012 7:47 AM (#560267 - in reply to #559385)
Subject: Re: TI 9ft Mh & XH capabilities




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means basically the same thing.. What bowhunter is saying is relatively correct. Med Heavy is lighter than Xtra heavy? get it? action being medium is using more of the rod to load than lets say FAST action which uses more of the top of the rod. These things don't mean much anymore because there is no real way to compare. I always look at the OZ rating.. if a rod says 1 oz to 3 oz, then thats the weight i can throw with it. It just makes more sense because XH from TI may be different the XH fro St croix.
bowhunter29
Posted 5/17/2012 8:13 AM (#560275 - in reply to #559385)
Subject: Re: TI 9ft Mh & XH capabilities





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Location: South-Central PA
Kodiak,

I think you missed the point of what I said. Like I mentioned previously, most fishermen and manufacturers get it wrong- they have their terminology mixed up. To answer your question, the rods that James has listed as 'medium-fast' are in fact 'moderate-fast'. In this instance, it's not that confusing, but that's not always the case.

For instance, I've been approached by several fishermen that want a 'heavy action rod' built. No such thing exists. When this happens I'm forced to start asking basic questions. (What application is the rod for? What lures will you be throwing? What type and rating of line will you be using?) I usually find out they want a rod that is typically rated H power and moderate action for flipping or pitching. It's like going to the deli counter and trying to order a gallon of swiss cheese...

Rod rating systems in general are a mess. There are no industry-wide standards. One companies MH rod may be another companies XH rod. Many companies have rods both labeled H that have different lure ratings. For example, look at the Big Nasty and Sling Blade. All of the confusion out there is why it's so important for guys to be able to get their hands on a rod before they buy it.

The only industry standard for rating rods by power and action is the Common Cents System or CCS. However, there are very few rod companies that use it (two that I'm aware of) and hardly any rod builders use it. Thus we're left with confusing terms and mixed up terminology.

Again, please read my statements for what they are. I'm not trying to lecture anyone, just educate.

jeremy
kodiak
Posted 5/17/2012 8:47 AM (#560283 - in reply to #559385)
Subject: Re: TI 9ft Mh & XH capabilities





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Location: Okoboji
i know what the weight system means as far as medium/heavy/xh is....i am talking action, all the rods have the same action.. moderate. anytime i have got a moderate action rod i think of a parabolic action...is that correct?
bowhunter29
Posted 5/17/2012 9:35 AM (#560293 - in reply to #559385)
Subject: Re: TI 9ft Mh & XH capabilities





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Location: South-Central PA
Yep, that's correct. When I think of slow action rods, I think of the old Ugly Stiks. TI rods are more of a moderate-fast, they have a limber tip, but the rod shuts off pretty quickly if you don't use lures at the top end of the weight rating. For instance, on the TI XH rods, I don't typically throw anything over 6-7oz (sometimes 8oz). That's just my personal preference. Rods like the Big Dawg are fast (borderline extra-fast) and I use mine to throw anything from single 12's to 9 oz crankbaits and it throws them equally well. In fact, I was shocked how far a single 12 will fly when thrown with the Big Dawg using a Saltist 30.

jeremy
Tackle Industries
Posted 5/17/2012 4:23 PM (#560400 - in reply to #559385)
Subject: Re: TI 9ft Mh & XH capabilities





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Location: Land of the Musky
jeremy/Kodiak,

You guys will just love my new jerkbait rod about to come out then.... XH+ rating! LOL I did not really know what more to put on the rod since it is about 30% "stiffer" on a scale between and XH and XXH (my rating).

Jeremy has a good point on the right rod for the job though per lure weight ratings. That is why I usually tell people to ignore any MH, XH, H, XXXXXH, etc and look at the rod lure weight rating.

IAJustin
Posted 5/18/2012 8:58 AM (#560532 - in reply to #559924)
Subject: Re: TI 9ft Mh & XH capabilities




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MuskieCat94 - 5/15/2012 1:56 PM

My question is whats the max you think you could throw on the mh? rod would serve mainly as a blade rod nothing bigger then double 8's and 3 oz spinnerbaits, Whats the max the mh can handle?



TI's straight 9' MH is perfect for those baits - I have two. Get one you will like it!
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