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I just recieved an e-mail from Doug Schultz, the DNR large lake specialist in Walker fisheries office.
Legislation has been introduced to limit the number of lake with special pike regs in MN to 60-90.
Obviously this has been introduced by spearers who feel that the slot prohibits them from spearing and feels it isn't fair.
Now how do you go about fighting this? But heads with the spearers one on one or get the word out to the fishing public in MN that slots work.
By appealing to the MN angling public (walleye, bass, panfish guys etc.) on the benefits of these special regs and the improvements they have made we can gain support to protect pike.
By concentrating on fighting the spearers over a mix of muskie/pike issues we fail.
By making this a political issue the spearers have left themselve very vulnerable to a mass opposition by the fishing public as a whole. Only a very stupid politician would press this issue forward with opposition from throughout the angling community.
It's time to quit having a cage match with the spearers and take the "protect the pike" message to the angling public of MN.
John Skarie
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| This ain't good.
I've sent emails about the Cass lake ban lift bill. Should I send another round of emails to the commitee chairs? |
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| As was stated before there were a couple olive branches extended with one last attempt yesterday, we'll see where it goes. I'm hoping the Clifs people are a bit more open to this than the MDAA if in fact they are different? that I cant say.
There will be an easy way for you to contact your legislators on the 60-90 slot lakes deal very soon. Within a day or so. Hold tight. |
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| Guest - 4/1/2011 3:36 PM
I just recieved an e-mail from Doug Schultz, the DNR large lake specialist in Walker fisheries office.
Legislation has been introduced to limit the number of lake with special pike regs in MN to 60-90.
Obviously this has been introduced by spearers who feel that the slot prohibits them from spearing and feels it isn't fair.
John Skarie
No this was Ingebretson trying to find cover after getting destroyed in the Star Trib and ODN.
As long as the spearing leadership has this delusional fantasy that everyone is out to get them we're going to butt heads. Lets face it 10 years ago nobody really paid them any mind. Once they "came out of the dark" (sorry couldn't resist) and started to push things in the legislature that's where they're getting blowback. Quite frankly people in their own organization are very dissatisfied with their leadership and one told me that he was watching the eventual downfall of his sport.
I've personally made 2 attempts to work with them on this Cass issue in the last 4 weeks. I was pretty much told to fly a kite by one and no-joy by the other after he read my amendment. Funny, I wrote an amendment that would 1. address their concerns, 2. protect the large pike in Cass, and 3. calm the waters with the muskie folk. Pretty sad because this could have been the first step towards peace and they're throwing it in our faces. Time will tell what happens. |
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Shawn;
If the leadership fails them, do you see a chance of them being elected out and the MDHA coming around?
Possibly even being involved in the Minnesota Muskie and Pike Alliance?
JS |
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Location: On the X that marks the mucky spot | In a perfect world yes. Do I honestly think that would happen? No.
They've spread too many lies in their group for me to believe there's enough of them that haven't been brainwashed with the "they're out to get us" mentality as well as the "you have to kill all the big ones so the little ones can grow" line of false logic. The ones who see through their BS seem to either drop out or be ostracized from what we've seen.
I hope I'm wrong because it would be nice to have a truce with them and even better if we could work together from time to time. |
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| We just have to keep looking forward. Focus on Muskies and Large Pike. We are working with some very good organizations that have have the same vision as we do. Provide angling opportunity and get more kids and adults interested and involved in our resources and their sustainability. |
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Location: Bemidji/Cass Lake | I get to hear some chit-chat amongst some of the CLIFS members in an establishment I work part-time at. Last year I was in a discussion that was 1-on-6, me being the only one for the ban. The attitude amongst the group is pretty "redneck" with little known facts actually known and lots of assumptions and fuzzy thoughts directing them. Part of the reason they want this is because Leech Lake band members can spear and net on the Cass Chain, but these rights are not used that heavily in all fairness. There are a few members and fighters for the ban lift that are quite intelligent and really know how to talk and present they're case though. Last night I overheard one member say that doing this politically and going to the legislature is the "only way to get this done." I wanted to speak up but was busy, plus the discussion would turn poor and I see no point in that. Its such a BAD way to do this, letting a bunch of politicians that know NOTHING about this make decisions like this. DNR is there for a reason, right ? It would be another brick in the foundation of bad precedents on how something gets done. I'm almost required to get into the discussion over it at times and my basic response is I dont think anyone needs to spear pike over about 7lbs. What do you do with a 13lb northern that you cant do with 3-4 pike in the 3-4lb range???......and they're are a LOT better lakes than Cass in this area to get those. Many of these guys are not big fans of the DNR and dont take near a conservation-minded an attitude as we do, but to be fair I have heard some individuals present their thoughts in a clean, well-thought out manner, certainly makes for better discussion. |
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| To me this seems like more of an issue of politics. Do we allow the Senators to decided what happens to our natural resources or do we leave that job to our DNR who are qualified to make this decision? Once again, in my opinion if we loose this issue it gives other groups of people a treasure map to bypassing the DNR and getting what they want. Pike and muskies are the least of our concerns if we allow our natural resources to be managed by our senators. |
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| Here is a link for MN residents to provide input.
http://www.votervoice.net/core.aspx?APP=GAC&AID=1356&issueid=24019&... |
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