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Posts: 1405 Location: Detroit River | pepsiboy - 2/22/2011 4:41 PM Zib - 2/21/2011 7:08 PM pepsiboy - 2/21/2011 4:04 PM i would also add the following more than 80 % of musky lures dosnt create a single job,the owner build his stuff so what the difference if the bait is made in china or usa? The difference is that the guy in the US making his baits by himself spends that money in the US, which contributes to other US businesses & adds tax revenue to pay for welfare programs etc. I can't comment on the baits as I have yet to use the Curly Sues but have wanted to try them. I thought they were going to be at the Michigan show but I thought wrong. do you think the owner of tackle industries and musky inovation owner are spending their cash in china? My post was regarding made in US vs. overseas. Sure the MI & TI guys are spending the money they make from selling their lures in the US but they are also supporting those 5 yr-olds in China as well.  | ||
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Zib - 2/22/2011 11:03 PM Top H2O - 2/22/2011 10:26 PM 5 Year olds ??? ..... Come on..... get real dude. Jerome Apparently you never heard about the child labor camps in China? I guess if I was a 5 year old in China I would rather be making musky baits than sewing together Nikes.  I find it amazing that our national economy is hinged on where/or who I buy my baits from. I know I buy alot of baits but I didn't think or national economy was founded on it. Anyways, back to the buy/sell forum. Is it ok if I buy baits from Canadians? I don't want to be solely responsible for bringing our fragile economy to it's knees during these tough economic times. | |||
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Posts: 339 Location: Denmark | sworrall - 2/23/2011 12:18 AM Zib, I would bet my favorite reel Muskie lures are not built in child labor camps. 'So, at this point I'm just curious: are you making a case for Socialism with these arguments?' No. Capitalism. I like the concept and do my best to do well at it, and am somewhat amazed folks participate wholly without at least a rudimentary understanding of the process and how our economy actually functions within the 'world economy'. Isolationism never worked for poo, and for sure won't get it done these days. It wasn't religion or politics that brought down the wall. The USSR basically went bust. I guess 7.62X39 ammo doesn't eat very well. SO buy how you want, and I'll buy how I want. Look at the link I posted above. There is sound capitalism, or capitalism of the multinational corporations,(where I have been working a great deal of time). A lot of them are outsourcing not only their tasks, but also large parts of their corporations, to avoid the different taxes or social security fees applied to them by western governments. Multinationals backed by private owed banks, are actually undermining healthy capitalism as well as the whole western democracy, handling over the initiative of the world economy to "communist" countries like China. Ironically we could claim that the ultra liberalists, are actually the greatest supporters of communism today ;). And I totally agree with James, that with the tax pressure we have in the West, outsourcing sometimes is the only way smaller companies can survive, but with the recurses I have seen wasted by some Multinational corporations, efficiency and regulation, of both wages and profit could prevent outsourcing in many cases. But of course to put it simple, we do all gain from each other, I make profit in Europe by outsourcing engineering tasks to Asia, for later using some of the money to buy US made musky stuff, so things is not B&W. But more power to the small entrepreneurs, especially those making musky lures! PS. Every ideology can be abused be by those in charge of it, Capitalist and Socialist alike. | ||
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Posts: 4053 Location: Land of the Musky | I have been to China a few times. You want to see Capitalism at its best? Go to China! Makes the USA look pathetic in terms of Capitalism. Most building cranes I have ever seen in the cities. I bet I saw well over 2000 cranes last time I went. In Minneapolis I see maybe 2-4 downtown and in Beijing at least 600-800. The United States Government has literally tied our hands to a cinder block and thrown us into the river. If you want to get upset, go email your congressmen or Senator and tell them enough is enough. I have talked with my Chinese partners about this and asked them how they get support from their government. They get 0% loans, factories are built on credit from the government, same with equipment, and local taxes on profit and employees are waved for up to and over 10 years. You know what I got? A letter the second year in business from the IRS basically calling into question why I did not make a profit and my accountant saying I am now on the "watch" list and I better turn a profit in 2 or 3 years or to expect a full visit from the IRS. I am taxed 5 times (YES 5 times!) on each $1 of profit. Some are called fees but when the check is written out to the US government its a tax. I know where my government wants me to do business because they have made it impossible for me to build a large lure comapny here in the USA and honestly it disturbs me a lot. My lures last year were made on credit with two of my partners in China for 0% interest. Took me an act of God to get my SBA loan with my bank and I have the honor of paying 8% on that loan now. Then on top of this I get to pay and extra few thousand $$$ this year to pay for peoples health insurance who simply don't want to work! Now I get to make up for that tax burden and I already work 80+ hours a week and have for 6+ year! Give me a break. Not to harp on the lures made in the USA but ask these companies where they buy their hooks from... I bet well over half buy hooks made in China or overseas (Mustad, VMX, Owner, Gamatsu, etc.) because USA hooks are too expensive. Ask your top brand of double 10 bucktails where they get their flahshabou skirts made, I bet its a place called Haiti (not on American Soil) but they tout made in the USA and per FTC rules they are correct. I know way too much about other companies so I will not bring in brand names but you would be surprised how other lure and rod companies can keep the cost down all while not doing business in the USA and still tout "Made in the USA". Good times ahead! James | ||
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Posts: 4053 Location: Land of the Musky | h2os2t-Agree 100% on a flat tax. 15% for anything above $20k and a sliding scale below that. Same for health care but its not up to the government to implement, its ours! If I want health insurance its a luxury and I can have it or not. I could rant for pages here... On the comment of labor cost in China, the gov in China has more than doubled wages in the last 3 years for the "middle" class. Used to be about $4k and its up to around $10k now and believe it or not there is a labor shortage in China now. As for the "island" connection. I know who that is and I want to make a few lures with him. Would be nice to finally visit a factory on his island paradise. Take the family as my "pro" staff and fish for a few days and play on the beach...oh and visit the factory for an hour or two If and when the profits start to role in I will make a musky sized jig with him and go see how production is going in the summertime. | ||
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Posts: 1405 Location: Detroit River | sworrall - 2/23/2011 9:07 AM Zib, You buy 'crap'? Do you farm? I only buy American made "Crap" for my farming needs. | ||
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Posts: 339 Location: Denmark | Tackle Industries - 2/23/2011 7:24 AM I have been to China a few times. You want to see Capitalism at its best? Go to China! Makes the USA look pathetic in terms of Capitalism. Most building cranes I have ever seen in the cities. Good times ahead! James I forgot mention that China's prisons is full of human beings tortured to death for being members of the spiritual Falung gong movement, as well as thousands of people every year sentenced to death for opposing the their political leaders or stealing a bicycle. China is the most cruel regime since facist Franco here in Europe, that has been perfectly described by (US)heroes like Ernest Hemmingway, or Frank Tinker who fought fascism. If you want sources(China), just go to the website of amnesty international. China=Capitalism at it's worst, IMO, so please US send the Chinese leadership to Guantanamo, cause they deserve it. But let's close it here, we are off topic | ||
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Posts: 32886 Location: Rhinelander, Wisconsin | I only buy American made "Crap" for my farming needs. Allot of that right here in this thread. By the way, the US supports all SORTS of not-very-nice-folks out there in the world with huge weapon sales, large sums of money and more, all in an effort to protect our 'interests'...translate that to economic well being. China's government is it's own worst enemy. I remember in college decades ago I attended a couple summits on Sino-Soviet relations. Remember all that? Communism ain't what it used to be, and continues to morph, just like our way of life. The US CONSUMERS are demanding goods made there, and in ever increasing volumes. Why is that? Good overall quality possible at lower prices. That's how it works. Price yourself outta a market in this world, and you are...outta the market. China's government is it's own worst enemy. We as consumers are, to a degree, assisting in fueling that demise one Conex box at a time. it ain't fast, but it works better than bombing them back to the stone age would. that tends to pee off the population. Starve them out, and they look to the Gov't to save them. Let's take a lesson from the Japanese, and buy 'em out. We used to be in an economic war with the USSR. We won. China has changed beyond belief over the last two decades, and continues to change. The faster the populace finds opportunity to see what reasonable comfort in life means, the faster they will demand same. Happening all over the globe, slowly. The largest enemy is religious fanaticism driven by an ever growing segment of the globes population who cannot have the comfort they see us US based softies enjoying at their country's expense; can't even get a decent job, and as a result, are easily recruited. Not that long ago Japanese durable and consumer goods were considered cheap and of poor quality for the most part. Things change, driven as much by economics as social elements...in fact the two are connected at the hip. | ||
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