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| In response to arguments breaking out on forums as occured here...as long as they are civil, these turn out to be threads i learn the most from. Listen to the views expressed and maybe toss in yours...all benefit. |
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| I think a lot depends on the body of water and conditions. What your saying 6' could very well be true for that particular body of water. However, I've seen plenty of times when the first lure gets virtually all the fish and there are almost no scraps, even with a jig. Typically this is when the fish are really snapping or some other extreme deal.
It was a bit of an unusual set of circumstances that got us started "pitching and switching". Basically we found a very remote post-spawn absolutely giant weed deal loaded with lots of big fish and no fishing pressure, obviously a dream situation and why they were able to get big. In short, when we found a thick green clumpy weed pile the first accurate cast inside it (with almost any lure) was far and away the best percentage. And that's where the "pitching" came in, you absolutely did not want to get fouled on that first cast so the best percentage was to almost sneak up on it, throw just past it with a large blade and weave your way through.
I can remember one time we were working through an area with beautiful isolated coon tail clumps and I noticing I missed one of them well behind the boat. My boat partner had just caught one so he was in the back, but on the wrong side. I pointed to it, he switched sides, made one cast and got his first 50"er of the day. He ended up with 2-50s" and 10 total that day, his nine others were from the front of the boat, first lure through.
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Location: Rhinelander, Wisconsin | 'How many fish contacts do you feel a good idiot caster(second fisherman), can add to your boat total for the day? '
Seems some folks missed the original question.
I fish slowly so we ( the boat) can cover the water with multiple presentation styles and from several different angles...why? because I'm sure the fish are there or I wouldn't be, most of the time. What BN, Cory, and others are describing as 'teamwork' is the same thing, but dependent on the 'team leader'; the person positioning the boat. EA had an excellent point, too...watch each cast, don't place the same deal in the same place. More importantly, slowing down allows everyone in the boat to present the lure properly and with precision and work it all the way back to the boat instead of ending up with the last half of the cast trailing in the electric's prop wash. Sometimes I fish a 30'X30' spot 5 times from every angle, and right through the middle. Ask Sorno.
I submit that the second guy can add quite a few. So can the third. I think that's what Mike is trying to say. |
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| Guest - 10/21/2010 3:06 PM
I think a lot depends on the body of water and conditions. What your saying 6' could very well be true for that particular body of water. However, I've seen plenty of times when the first lure gets virtually all the fish and there are almost no scraps, even with a jig. Typically this is when the fish are really snapping or some other extreme deal.
It was a bit of an unusual set of circumstances that got us started "pitching and switching". Basically we found a very remote post-spawn absolutely giant weed deal loaded with lots of big fish and no fishing pressure, obviously a dream situation and why they were able to get big. In short, when we found a thick green clumpy weed pile the first accurate cast inside it (with almost any lure) was far and away the best percentage. And that's where the "pitching" came in, you absolutely did not want to get fouled on that first cast so the best percentage was to almost sneak up on it, throw just past it with a large blade and weave your way through.
I can remember one time we were working through an area with beautiful isolated coon tail clumps and I noticing I missed one of them well behind the boat. My boat partner had just caught one so he was in the back, but on the wrong side. I pointed to it, he switched sides, made one cast and got his first 50"er of the day. He ended up with 2-50s" and 10 total that day, his nine others were from the front of the boat, first lure through.
Yes, I like many, put a lot of credence in guest posts, thanks for sharing. You guys must be, and in fact are, unbelievable fisherman.  |
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Location: Rhinelander, Wisconsin | In this case, the Guest is qualified and certainly has seen that sort of success. Remember, we don't require registration to post here, and many times critical information is passed along that otherwise would not be. |
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Location: Madtown, WI | One of the fun ways to fish as a team is when the fish are really moving ontails and aggressive and we put the trolling motor pretty high and time the casts so we are leap flogging going along pretty darn quickly...but covering water very effectively. If you have the trolling motor set right you van really cover water and cover it fast and well, given the conditions. |
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| I do enjoy fishing with people, but really do embrace fishing alone as well. I do things different than the current trend of big baits and saltwater equipment. I enjoy a more subtle approach and think fishing alone allows that. I do quite a bit of sight fishing and also working specific pieces of structure. I do not get as many follows and the such, but my catch rate is still good. I do more with a fly out west, and they tigers, but also creatures when I am back east works as well. Also your typical suick or weagles get the same methodical approach. I just enjoy it more this way....BR |
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| It's funny I just came across this post.
2 nights ago my friend and I worked a weedline...on the way down the first pass I switched between blades and a soft plastic, buddy in the back working his new wades wobbler that he just won. Turned around to start back down the same weedline and I switched up my soft plastic to a different color and he put on blades. About his 5th cast with blades he stuck a 44....that fish had most likely already seen 4 different baits and the back of the boat got the only fish for the night.
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| Hi Steve, I forgot you knew this IP code…
Ben, I think I like the casting part better by myself sometimes too (not so much trolling though). I decided that I definitely prefer the catching part better either way with somebody else though after putting the two biggest fish of my life in the boat (while fishing alone) in early September (both were #35+ class). Both were new exciting experiences for me, but even so, I think I would have better enjoyed the experience with somebody else on board. Not only that, I got extremely lucky with one of them because I absolutely blew the net-job ?. She absolutely humiliated me at the boat!
I bring this up because having somebody else on board definitely increases your chances of a successful net job. On the flip side, one of those fish was caught in a completely new area that I was just checking out because I was fishing alone. How do you add/subtract things like this while assessing how many fish a extra caster will add to your boat total for the day? Heck, another thought would be to count the collective fish the boat gets after the extra caster discovers something that you would not have been doing otherwise. This has happened many times in my boat through the years and I would add all fish caught with the method discovered by the extra caster to the “extra” total.
I would have to say (guessing) a second caster has added about 30-35% to my boat total overall casting threw the years all things considered, just way too many variables to put a percentage total for a single day. Long term…it's pretty obvious an extra caster would certainly have to be beneficial though. To me, musky fishing is a lot like poker in that there is a lot of luck if you look at things only in the short-term. Unfortunately, no matter how good you are at either, a lot of times luck will determine your fate more than skill short term.
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| I outfished a buddy of mine two summers ago 16 to 1 in his boat with him up front. He runs the boat slow and is a good stick...I just made the right lure choices that summer. Lots of times that year where he'd put down a lure, I'd pick it up and put it on my line and catch a fish behind him! Other times I'd be trying oddball stuff when the "normal" stuff wasn't working and that would get the fish. The following summer we fished out of both our boats when we were fishing together and it was almost an even split between front and back of the boat.
Lots of factors play into this question, but I don't there is that much of an advantage being up front unless the fish are super aggressive and the guy up front is moving the boat along at a slow speed. |
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Location: Warroad, Mn | Since FSF mentioned my name I thought I'd throw my .02 cents in. First another (or two) fisherman in the boat will definitely add to the total catch in the boat. If you are fishing fairly dark water, with somewhat heavy cover the second or even third cast to the very same area is many times the best cast. What I suspect is that the fish are reacting to the commotion that is created by casting. On the first cast the fish is some feet away and facing the other direction. The lure hits the water and creates sound. the fish is alerted that something is happening and turns and starts to swim toward the sound. The second cast hits the water and now the fish is in the area and sees the lure and strikes. This sometimes makes it look like the fish are selective for a certain lure, but it's probably because the fish is moving toward the area. Same can be said for the third lure through. Fish aren't stationary objects, but react to stimulas and move towards what they think is food. Even a short period of time can change their location greatly. I'm also sure that at times a certain lure type will trigger a fish to bits. Sometimes size or speed seems important. Then casting position in the boat isn't as important as fishing skill. If you are a good caster that can read the water well and cast well you can do well from the back of the boat, even with three folks fishing. I've guided for many-many years and find that good fishermen regardless where they are positioned in the boat can catch fish. I've also had a good number of folks who couldn't catch a fish if you handed them a stick of dynamite regardless where they where in the boat. Just to add to the question some. Here's what happened just a few days ago. I had three folks in the boat and we're trolling. We caught three nice muskies (40,45,49) all on the middle rod, which I wouldn't have out if there weren't three folks fishing. Would I have caught any fish if I didn't have the third rod out? I'm sure FSF will know! Doug Johnson
Edited by dougj 10/23/2010 5:55 PM
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